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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#178626: Mar 19th 2017 at 8:41:44 PM

[up][up][up]And here I thought the GOP had no sense of humor that did not involve literal Dead Baby Comedy. Still plenty horrifying, depending if they are going to try to get there by completely destroying every safety net and regulation on the books; or just cook the books with a massive economic bubble.

edited 19th Mar '17 8:42:19 PM by ViperMagnum357

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#178627: Mar 19th 2017 at 8:48:53 PM

Manchin is someone I can respect even if I don't agree with him, I'd be happy to see him as a leading figure in a new conservative party that emerges after the Republican Party burns out. Him, Mc Cain and Mc Mullin are all people I think could form a reasonable and sane conservative party to a liberal Democrat party.

The Justice Democrats are unlikely to have any reach though, I doubt they could primary someone in New York or California, nevermind West Virginia.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#178628: Mar 19th 2017 at 8:54:21 PM

[up] I don't think Jon Ossoff actually took the label of a Justice Democrat, but I'm pretty sure that he's at least a more traditional Liberal (in-line with Obama style Liberalism). I'm not saying that Georgia and West Virginia are the same state, but if Liberals can gain power in a state like Georgia, I would be cautious to say Justice Democrats don't have any power in Conservative or Liberal States. Teapublicans certainly gained power in Liberal and Conservative States...

edited 19th Mar '17 8:55:52 PM by DingoWalley1

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178629: Mar 19th 2017 at 8:56:33 PM

Mind you, I feel like Manchin would have a pretty good chance of winning any ill-conceived primary against him, so it probably doesn't matter what they try.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#178630: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:19:54 PM

I'd love for all of their primary challenges in 2018 completely and utterly fail AND Dems take back Congress. It would be the proof and wake up call they'd need.

New Survey coming this weekend!
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#178631: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:27:47 PM

2018 is nearly untenable in congress for the democrats; they're simply defending too many seats compared to the GOP to realistically hope to take back the senate much less the house. The governor's manors are a far more realistic goal.

edited 19th Mar '17 9:28:31 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#178632: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:50:14 PM

[up][up] I'd prefer if we all refrain from forming a circular firing squad while a group of Literal Nazis, fascists, theocrats and Ayn Rand worshippers are in power and looking to transform our country into something unimaginable and unrecognizable, no matter how how much our little subfactions think that their way is the only correct way, and everything would work just fine if only all the other leftists or centrists got out of the way and let them do what they want. kthanxbye.

| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#178633: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:54:13 PM

[up] We should form the circle around them instead.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#178634: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:55:24 PM

Ossoff is playing in a purple district in Atlanta, which is overwhelmingly blue to the overwhelming red of the rest of the state. Not at all the same as West Virginia.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#178635: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:56:15 PM

[up][up] I'd love to form that circle, but first we need to join hands. And lately, it seems like both sides of this debate on the left are having trouble ceding ground.

edited 19th Mar '17 9:56:37 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#178636: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:56:40 PM

Yeah I don't really think this infighting is very productive.

Also, in what fantasy world are most republicans pro-LGBT and pro-choice? That seems like such an obvious lie that it's difficult for me to believe anyone could say that with a straight face.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#178637: Mar 19th 2017 at 9:57:20 PM

Thing is the likes of the Justice Democrats aren't liberals, their ideology isn't progressive, it's contrarian.

We're not firing inwards with the likes of the Justice Democrats, because they have no desire for us to take power and change things, they exist only to scream about how 'corrupt' the 'mainstream' is.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#178638: Mar 19th 2017 at 10:16:27 PM

It's hard for me to even Dislike the "Establishment" when you run down the list of all the shit Pelosi and Reid did during the 09-11 years.

Were it not for Democrats, this whole country would be a complete and total shithole.

New Survey coming this weekend!
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178639: Mar 19th 2017 at 10:32:15 PM

I'd love for all of their primary challenges in 2018 completely and utterly fail AND Dems take back Congress. It would be the proof and wake up call they'd need.

Thats not hypocritical.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178640: Mar 19th 2017 at 10:49:22 PM

Manchin is someone I can respect even if I don't agree with him, I'd be happy to see him as a leading figure in a new conservative party that emerges after the Republican Party burns out. Him, Mc Cain and Mc Mullin are all people I think could form a reasonable and sane conservative party to a liberal Democrat party.

Awful. Manchin's been licking Trump's balls for a while now. Yes, he's alright on a few issues but I don't want him or Mc Cain to lead a new conservative party.

If we want an actual conservative party then I propose the centrist democrats and progressives split into two different parties after the Republicans are thrown into the fire.

There shouldn't be a party for social conservatism that tries to perpetuate awful policies.

The Justice Democrats are unlikely to have any reach though, I doubt they could primary someone in New York or California, nevermind West Virginia.

They're not working alone. They're working with Our Revolution who has already won elections for their progressive democrats. The Justice Democrats are seemingly going to start small and move their way up.

Like Bernie's Our Revolution has already helped several different US Representatives win elections like:

Nannette Barragan - California

Pramila Jayapal - Washington

Jamie Raskin - Maryland

Raul Grijalva-Arizona

Tulsi Gabbard-Hawaii

Rick Nolan- Minnesota

Marcy Kaptur - Ohio

As you notice over half of these won in very liberal places.

They even helped run two senators for Utah and Wisconsin though.

Misty Snow lost by quite a lot in Utah but Russ Feingold almost got it.

https://ourrevolution.com/election-2016/

edited 19th Mar '17 10:52:24 PM by MadSkillz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178641: Mar 19th 2017 at 10:56:11 PM

It's hard for me to even Dislike the "Establishment" when you run down the list of all the shit Pelosi and Reid did during the 09-11 years.Were it not for Democrats, this whole country would be a complete and total shithole.

The Establishment isn't just corporate Democrats. It also includes neoconservatives aka people like Dick, tea party fanatics like Rand Paul and also Paul Ryan.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178642: Mar 19th 2017 at 10:57:33 PM

[up] Problem is, the Justice Democrats and such only ever seem to strike directly at "corporate" Democrats.

[up][up] Also, Gabbard winning isn't exactly a good thing IMHO. She's as bad as, if not worse than Manchin in some ways, and at least Manchin is a relatively useful DINO since he's a senator in WV.

edited 19th Mar '17 10:59:21 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178643: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:02:02 PM

Don't tear down Manchin and then hold up Gabbard as a victory. And, like, how is voting against Trump 75% of the time 'licking his balls'?

Also don't advocate for getting rid of conservative politics entirely. That's not practical or desirable. What you have to understand is that the GOP in it's current form isn't a conservative party, it's a death cult party- they should be taken as a representative example of what conservative politics looks like.

edited 19th Mar '17 11:03:05 PM by Gilphon

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178644: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:04:23 PM

The GOP is not conservative — it's regressive. It wants to take the USA back to the Fifties. It wants to actively undo the progress that has already been made in addition to stifling more of it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178645: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:04:30 PM

[up][up][up] Well yeah. The goal is to take over the party because they think that the neoliberals are useless losers that think the way to winning is more corporate money and they have a point. They pushed a candidate that was under investigation by the FBI who lost to an orange buffoon on an incompetently led campaign. Hillary even outspent Trump almost 2 to 1 so clearly money isn't the end all be alll.

And while you may not agree with their priorities, their platform is pretty good.

edited 19th Mar '17 11:04:48 PM by MadSkillz

Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#178646: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:05:13 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Huh? That Tulsi Gabbard is supported by the "true" progressives? For a group that is all about the purity of progressiveness, supporting Gabbard is a whooopsie to say the least.

edited 19th Mar '17 11:05:29 PM by Advarielle

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178647: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:06:57 PM

[up] It's one of the reasons I have trouble taking them seriously.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178648: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:07:14 PM

Those priorities are pretty much unspeakably awful and based on what's, at best, an extremely biased view of events. As for platforms, I've yet to hear them actually put one forward, rather than just screaming about the Dems being corrupt.

Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
Homicidal Editor
#178649: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:11:19 PM

[up][up][up][up] The problem with corporate money I think is less about accepting them and is more about regulating and how to use them. Not taking corporate money isn't only turning a blind eye on a potential source of resources, but only serve to make them wealthier I think. I mean I don't think I'm going to reject a policy where I don't have to give my money to the government.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178650: Mar 19th 2017 at 11:14:19 PM

Don't tear down Manchin and then hold up Gabbard as a victory.

I wasn't holding Gabbard up as a victory. My point was that Out Revolution allied with the Justice Democrats have some pull.

And, like, how is voting against Trump 75% of the time 'licking his balls'?

I was more talking about his incessant clapping at Trump's last speech and even the_Donald half-way loves him because he "bent the knee".

Also don't advocate for getting rid of conservative politics entirely. That's not practical or desirable. What you have to understand is that the GOP in it's current form isn't a conservative party, it's a death cult party- they should be taken as a representative example of what conservative politics looks like.

Look, people like Bill Clinton and Obama are the actual conservatives of the nation although they're left on social issues. That'd be an ideal solution.

The Republicans are just off the spectrum lunatics. That's why I don't think they should get a revival with a new core.


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