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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Manchin is someone I can respect even if I don't agree with him, I'd be happy to see him as a leading figure in a new conservative party that emerges after the Republican Party burns out. Him, Mc Cain and Mc Mullin are all people I think could form a reasonable and sane conservative party to a liberal Democrat party.
The Justice Democrats are unlikely to have any reach though, I doubt they could primary someone in New York or California, nevermind West Virginia.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
I don't think Jon Ossoff actually took the label of a Justice Democrat, but I'm pretty sure that he's at least a more traditional Liberal (in-line with Obama style Liberalism). I'm not saying that Georgia and West Virginia are the same state, but if Liberals can gain power in a state like Georgia, I would be cautious to say Justice Democrats don't have any power in Conservative or Liberal States. Teapublicans certainly gained power in Liberal and Conservative States...
edited 19th Mar '17 8:55:52 PM by DingoWalley1
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I'd prefer if we all refrain from forming a circular firing squad while a group of Literal Nazis, fascists, theocrats and Ayn Rand worshippers are in power and looking to transform our country into something unimaginable and unrecognizable, no matter how how much our little subfactions think that their way is the only correct way, and everything would work just fine if only all the other leftists or centrists got out of the way and let them do what they want. kthanxbye.
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I'd love to form that circle, but first we need to join hands. And lately, it seems like both sides of this debate on the left are having trouble ceding ground.
edited 19th Mar '17 9:56:37 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!Thing is the likes of the Justice Democrats aren't liberals, their ideology isn't progressive, it's contrarian.
We're not firing inwards with the likes of the Justice Democrats, because they have no desire for us to take power and change things, they exist only to scream about how 'corrupt' the 'mainstream' is.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranAwful. Manchin's been licking Trump's balls for a while now. Yes, he's alright on a few issues but I don't want him or Mc Cain to lead a new conservative party.
If we want an actual conservative party then I propose the centrist democrats and progressives split into two different parties after the Republicans are thrown into the fire.
There shouldn't be a party for social conservatism that tries to perpetuate awful policies.
They're not working alone. They're working with Our Revolution who has already won elections for their progressive democrats. The Justice Democrats are seemingly going to start small and move their way up.
Like Bernie's Our Revolution has already helped several different US Representatives win elections like:
Nannette Barragan - California
Pramila Jayapal - Washington
Jamie Raskin - Maryland
Raul Grijalva-Arizona
Tulsi Gabbard-Hawaii
Rick Nolan- Minnesota
Marcy Kaptur - Ohio
As you notice over half of these won in very liberal places.
They even helped run two senators for Utah and Wisconsin though.
Misty Snow lost by quite a lot in Utah but Russ Feingold almost got it.
https://ourrevolution.com/election-2016/
edited 19th Mar '17 10:52:24 PM by MadSkillz
The Establishment isn't just corporate Democrats. It also includes neoconservatives aka people like Dick, tea party fanatics like Rand Paul and also Paul Ryan.
Problem is, the Justice Democrats and such only ever seem to strike directly at "corporate" Democrats.
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Also, Gabbard winning isn't exactly a good thing IMHO. She's as bad as, if not worse than Manchin in some ways, and at least Manchin is a relatively useful DINO since he's a senator in WV.
edited 19th Mar '17 10:59:21 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedDon't tear down Manchin and then hold up Gabbard as a victory. And, like, how is voting against Trump 75% of the time 'licking his balls'?
Also don't advocate for getting rid of conservative politics entirely. That's not practical or desirable. What you have to understand is that the GOP in it's current form isn't a conservative party, it's a death cult party- they should be taken as a representative example of what conservative politics looks like.
edited 19th Mar '17 11:03:05 PM by Gilphon
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Well yeah. The goal is to take over the party because they think that the neoliberals are useless losers that think the way to winning is more corporate money and they have a point. They pushed a candidate that was under investigation by the FBI who lost to an orange buffoon on an incompetently led campaign. Hillary even outspent Trump almost 2 to 1 so clearly money isn't the end all be alll.
And while you may not agree with their priorities, their platform is pretty good.
edited 19th Mar '17 11:04:48 PM by MadSkillz
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Huh? That Tulsi Gabbard is supported by the "true" progressives? For a group that is all about the purity of progressiveness, supporting Gabbard is a whooopsie to say the least.
edited 19th Mar '17 11:05:29 PM by Advarielle
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The problem with corporate money I think is less about accepting them and is more about regulating and how to use them. Not taking corporate money isn't only turning a blind eye on a potential source of resources, but only serve to make them wealthier I think. I mean I don't think I'm going to reject a policy where I don't have to give my money to the government.
I wasn't holding Gabbard up as a victory. My point was that Out Revolution allied with the Justice Democrats have some pull.
I was more talking about his incessant clapping at Trump's last speech and even the_Donald half-way loves him because he "bent the knee".
Look, people like Bill Clinton and Obama are the actual conservatives of the nation although they're left on social issues. That'd be an ideal solution.
The Republicans are just off the spectrum lunatics. That's why I don't think they should get a revival with a new core.

edited 19th Mar '17 8:42:19 PM by ViperMagnum357