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#178576: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:27:26 PM

I want to see if he can reach Hollande's 4%.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#178577: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:30:48 PM

It may be Trump, but I still hope he beats President Buchanan's record. As for President Madison's record, well I don't know how much I'll complain about the maple leaf flying over D.C.

But that's Fake News! anyway. Everyone loves Trump. The nation stepped over themselves to crowd his inaguration. Trump billboard with Nazi symbols stirs controversy in Arizona

The billboard features the work of California-based artist Karen Florito, according to KPNX. A portrait of Donald Trump is accompanied by mushroom clouds and swastikas that have been redesigned to look like dollar signs. Instead of an American flag, Trump is wearing a Russian flag lapel pin.

Beatrice Moore, a longtime patron of the arts in Phoenix commissioned the controversial artwork for the billboard, which she owns. The billboard was erected Friday to coincide with the opening of a local arts festival.


Tim Allen says being a non-liberal in Hollywood is like being in ''30s Germany'
Hollywood has been accused of letting its old Mc Carthyism shame creep back into the 21st century: driving conservatives into hiding and professional exile, like it once blacklisted communists.

Granted, that analogy goes too far for some. But for others, not far enough.

"You gotta be real careful around here," actor Tim Allen said on "Jimmy Kimmel Live," after stuttering through a confession that he attended President Donald Trump's inauguration. "You get beat up if you don't believe what everybody else believes. This is like '30s Germany."

Allen, who plays a vocal conservative on his sitcom, "Last Man Standing," has been one of few in Hollywood to speak openly about his right-leaning views.

Another 2,500 of his colleagues feel so stigmatized that they have joined a clandestine support group, according to a Los Angeles Times article profiling retribution and secrecy forced upon "the vast majority of conservatives who work in entertainment."

"In 30 years of show business, I've never seen it like this," an unnamed actor told the outlet. "If you are even lukewarm to Republicans, you are excommunicated from the church of tolerance."

Since it premiered several years ago, Allen's show has been hailed as a rare counterexample to Hollywood politics.

"Finally, we have a hero who hunts, fishes, watches sports, and occasionally drives a tank," the Imaginative Conservative wrote.

But Allen himself has complained of network censorship when his protagonist, an alpha-male family man whom the actor has called "an educated Archie Bunker," tries to go after liberal icons.

Allen "admits he has gotten more than one warning to stop calling President (Barack) Obama a 'communist,'" the TV Page reported in 2015.

"What I find odd in Hollywood is they didn't like Trump because he was a bully," Allen told Megyn Kelly. "But if you had any kind of inkling that you were for Trump, you got bullied for doing that. It gets a little hypocritical."

Kelly agreed. "I know many of them who are part of the Hollywood conservative underground," she said.

The industry has become more toxic to conservatives since Trump took office, the Los Angeles Times reported. Workers complained of political shouting matches on set and the professional shunning of those known to hold right-leaning views - although some had enough celebrity to speak out safely.

Just, for reasons beyond imagining, it turns out that supporting fascism doesn't win you any friends among artists and creative types—you know, some of the the prime targets. I mean, What the hell, Hollywood?

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#178578: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:37:51 PM

Allen "admits he has gotten more than one warning to stop calling President (Barack) Obama a 'communist,'" the TV Page reported in 2015.

Tim, that's probably because you're misusing the word.

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Ingonyama Since: Jan, 2001
#178579: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:42:43 PM

And another way in which the budget demonstrates Republicans digging even deeper with that shovel to reach new lows: "With cuts looming, Park Service closes Ben Franklin print shop, Jefferson’s Declaration House"

The article also notes the very worrisome point of not only the EPA getting downsized (which we already knew), but the Department of the Treasury. So the US Mint and the IRS would be losing lots of workers too. Granted right now this seems to just be in the form of the hiring freeze, but if the budget were to pass it looks like it'd get worse.

As the article says:

“Everyone wants a more efficient and effective government, but we can’t have staffing levels so low that children don’t have the opportunity to learn about the founding principles that made this country great,” she said. “That’s just bad government. We hope that as Congress and the president consider their budget, they will learn from this mistake and institute a budget that lives up to our nation’s proud history of serving our most vulnerable.”

edited 19th Mar '17 3:48:59 PM by Ingonyama

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#178580: Mar 19th 2017 at 3:44:44 PM

Won't celebrities ever learn? Just because the public likes their work, does not mean that this same fanbase also agrees with their political views. They don't have a captive audience, and there are certain opinions that they probably ought to keep to themselves. If they're up on stage, they're up there to perform, not to deliver a manifesto.

edited 19th Mar '17 3:59:44 PM by pwiegle

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#178581: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:25:52 PM

Not to import drama, but another board I follow has had a similar discussion going involving JonTron.

Also discovered via that board:

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Ronald_Grump_(human)

Sesame Street once parodied Trump. My honest first response was "this explains far more than it has any right to."

edited 19th Mar '17 4:26:28 PM by sgamer82

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#178582: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:38:35 PM

[up] So Oscar the Grouch is the key to defeating Trump? Or like, a Human version of Oscar?

... I swear, if in 2020 there's an official candidate of any party named Oscar, I will laugh and go insane.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#178583: Mar 19th 2017 at 4:42:45 PM

Is that why Trump wants to defund public broadcasting? For all we know, that's true. >.>

I know that defunding public radio would affect a lot of public radio stations that host shows that backed Trump. Nose, meet face. You won't be together for much longer.

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#178585: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:07:23 PM

[up][up] Jokes on him then, Sesame Street's already moved to HBO.tongue

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#178586: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:10:24 PM

That Tim Allen story is nothing terribly surprising. "Conservatives" (more like reactionaries really) always like to act as if they are the real victims.

Him bringing up the story of how he's had people tell him to quit calling Obama a communist really destroys any and all credibility he has.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#178587: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:11:24 PM

Vox pointed out that the Corporation for Public Broadcasting shutting down will hurt PBS, sure, but PBS has a bunch of other funding sources. What it will hurt is rural radio and tv. Basically, none of the big companies want to go to the expense of running a tv station in the middle of nowhere where a majority of people still use antennas to get their tv and absolutely refuse to get cable. Instead, there are a bunch of little independent stations that are funded by the CPB that basically act like franchised affiliates of the different big stations. So the Fox News broadcast some of these people are watching? It might get shut down in the future, along with all of their tv options because the only station close enough to do an antenna broadcast got shuttered due to lack of money.

That more than anything else, if it happens, is what will ruin the Republicans. They will have lost their most effective propaganda tool in the places they need it the most.

edited 19th Mar '17 5:12:27 PM by Zendervai

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#178588: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:13:17 PM

They'll just claim it's a plot by the Democrats to keep the truth from them.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#178589: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:13:41 PM

Got Ossoff people asking me to vote. They got my Trump-loving family member instead. Thankfully it wasn't unpleasant, but this is why I'd rather be called than have my door knocked on....

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#178590: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:15:07 PM

[up][up] Yeah, but the really irritating, pervasive lies? They won't have any good ways of spreading them to these people.

edited 19th Mar '17 5:15:26 PM by Zendervai

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#178592: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:45:34 PM

@Draghinazzo: 'I called Obama a commie-loving Muslim hypocrite Antichrist, but they called me mean, which is pretty much the same thing or even actually worse.' Standard false equivalency.

It's been fun.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#178593: Mar 19th 2017 at 5:57:45 PM

As far as Trump's approval goes, I have a sneaking suspicion the Korean war is going to resume shortly before election season begins. The Trump administration already seems to be escalating tensions with North Korea, and I'm not sure that isn't intentional.

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A procrastination in of itself
#178594: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:06:25 PM

While it's certainly possible I don't see the Trump regime and being good enough at progopganda to actually convince the war weary American public to support such a war.

Wars only work to rally people when they seem to be going well, I don't think Trump is capable enough to make a war go well or ever just seem to be going well.

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#178595: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:09:58 PM

If that happened...well, what could we expect?

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178596: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:11:23 PM

Doesnt mean they wont try it. Though I think Iran is more likely.

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#178597: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:11:32 PM

I'll just leave this here since Fox News was recently discussed (and before you ask, no it's not the source of the article, but part of its topic)

Also Huffington post comments on the billboard

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178598: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:13:52 PM

Really, what we need to be wary of more than a war is another 9/11, I think. Trump's stirring up a lot of international resentment, while simultaneously weakening security. And even without a comparable 'rally around the flag' event, just imagine the kind of things he could use a major attack to justify.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#178599: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:17:31 PM

@Marquis: North Korea is very close to having the capacity to strike the continental United States with its nuclear arsenal, and has pretty much exhausted China's good will, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons and remains on good terms with Russia; one of them is far easier to justify to the public than the other, and while I'm not sure about this, the fact that the Korean war never officially ended MAY make a war against North Korea far easier to Rules Lawyer in international courts than the war in Iraq or a hypothetical war against Iran.

edited 19th Mar '17 6:19:06 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#178600: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:34:32 PM

It's worth mentioning that if the Korean War restarts, the Seoul will shortly be a crater. Not because of nuclear weapons (though that's a possibility), but because North Korea has a shitload of conventional artillery pointed at Seoul and dug in to the point where it's virtually impossible to wipe them all out with a first strike. The instant North Korea comes under attack, they'll start shelling Seoul, and it'll kill thousands if not millions. It's basically as close as you can get to MAD without actual nukes being involved.

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