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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'd content that "far left" is the wrong way to refer to such people because they don't have an actual left-right ideology, their entire ideology is rejecting the mainstream. That's why they keep turning on their own the moment they gain power, because they don't want power, they want to stand outside and yell about how the 'establishment' sucks, they'll do that even if Jill Stein were to become president.
Their ideology isn't Left, it's Contrarian.
You seem to have missed the quote marks around the word "progressive" in the post you're quoting, I'm pretty sure the quote marks are there to indicate that such people call themselves progressive despite not being so.
edited 17th Mar '17 12:03:26 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI don't think that's really true. Corporate democrats and centrists are not their own.
The anger stems from there not being an actual party that represents their interests. This was true for the alt-right until recently.
This is the kinda thinking that leads to not listening to people because you think they'll always be against you no matter what.
edited 17th Mar '17 12:24:29 AM by MadSkillz
Well most did but the ones that didn't was because they didn't trust her to stick to her platform (and because she was too friendly with the banks plus emails).
What typical politicians say they're going to do and what they actually do are two different things. Sanders was actually seen as trustworthy.
And like for example, she was originally pro TPP but during the campaign she switched to "anti TPP" because TPP wasn't exactly popular among the people. I think it's pretty clear that if she wasn't going to sign off on the TPP that she would've signed off on some version of it I.
edited 17th Mar '17 12:31:12 AM by MadSkillz
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They are awfully quick to brand one of their own as "corporate" and "establishment" the moment they gain power and decide that actually cooperating and compromising with said establishment rather than tearing it down is the best way to actually get results.
edited 17th Mar '17 12:34:56 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedWell yeah, they don't trust the establishment because the ultimate goal is to kill corporate influence over the government and both parties are going to fight tooth and nail to stop that.
They just have their priorities set wrong. Kill the Republican Party first and then fight the Centrists.
It's like WWII. Republicans are the Nazis, the Soviets are the Centrists and the Americans are the Progressives. (This isn't serious btw. I'm just having fun with it.)
edited 17th Mar '17 12:41:55 AM by MadSkillz
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Considering the centrists in the USA were the ones who got screwed over by Russian propaganda while the "progressives" were the ones who fell for said propaganda...that might not be the best analogy. Especially since Gabbard is a fucking Tankie.
I recall one of Sanders' critics claiming that Sanders "never met a defense spending bill he didn't like". Sanders has some pretty strong ties to Vermont's military industrial complex.
edited 17th Mar '17 12:47:23 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedBecause the NRA is more interested in gun control not being taken too far than it is in corporate control of the government. Or at least that's the popular opinion.
And Bernie wasn't part of either the Democrat or the Republican Party.
Sanders is not in the NRA's pocket. There is room between a Feinstein lookalike and NRA shill and he's between the two. As can be seen by the gun bills a few years ago.
A follow up on that Oklahoma state senator
. Apparently he's suspected of soliciting underage prostitution.
They turned on Warren, they turned on Sanders himself after he endorsed Clinton, they turned or Sarah Silverman, they're turning on Ellison right now, I wouldn't describe any of those people as "Corporate Democrats" or "centerists".
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranThe problem with TPP's copyright-based internet censorship is that it's not merely copyright-based internet censorship: It's that if you allow any internet censorship to be written into law on any basis (let alone on an international scale), then you've given away the farm. You've allowed censorship software to be legally installed on the infrastructure, compromised net neutrality, etc. The fox has gained its foothold into the henhouse, and isn't going away until everything inside is eaten.
It's the reason there was so much backlash in France against a law (eventually forced through) that prescribed censorship against "pædopornographic" sites: People were not defending pædophiles, they were aware of the threat to everything else in allowing internet censorship for any reason. The law was (and still is, in fact) just using Think of the Children! to sneak a censorship infrastructure in.note
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."I mean...yes? The TPP as a bill was flawed, especially the explicitly corporatist bits and the really shady way it was sold to the rest of the world.
But the whole point of the agreement was to give a bunch of East Asian countries a viable trade partner that wasn't China. Instead, expect Beijing to draft their own version of the bill because SCROTUS threw the baby out with the bathwater because he doesn't understand how foreign policy works.
The biggest problems with the TPP were mission creep (making it a trade deal for East Asia and the EU was a mistake), its shady corporatist laws, and its shady implementation. But the intent is somewhat sound from a realpolitik perspective.
The world we now live in, where Beijing is free to make a (probably more draconian) TPP isn't much better than one where it was signed into law.
edited 17th Mar '17 2:22:30 AM by math792d
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
China is all set to do just that...but they're currently in a tiff with the Republic of Korea and (maybe) Japan over THAAD and the behavior of North Korea which is the main reason the Republic of Korea and Japan want THAAD in the first place.
Their proposed free trade agreement actually becoming reality is complicated by the fact that several of their prospective partners don't like China (and vice-versa). And I don't just mean in the ways Mexico and Canada, our partners in NAFTA, don't always get along with the USA. There's a lot of lingering ill-will and bad blood between the countries of East Asia.
edited 17th Mar '17 2:31:16 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised

I don't think it's fair to call them the progressive wing. They're the ideologues of the progressive wing.
And I heavily disagree with what they're doing but I will point out that it's not that he's working now with establishment Democrats that's the problem. It's that he's working under them on their terms. (Although there will always be true fanatics that hate the establishment in general.)
edited 17th Mar '17 12:02:35 AM by MadSkillz