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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178126: Mar 15th 2017 at 9:28:12 PM

Ugh, Trump is such a whiny man-baby. So much for being a "strongman".

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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#178127: Mar 15th 2017 at 9:28:32 PM

Simply putting this out here for people to see. Recent statement by my dad on millions being uninsured if Trump Don'tCare passes:

"Most of the people complaining about how they're not gonna have health insurance, they have smartphones! Why are they complaining about losing their insurance when they have smartphones?! The government shouldn't help people so much! This country has so many crybabies!"

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178128: Mar 15th 2017 at 9:30:04 PM

[up] Your dad is parroting that slimeball Chaffetz? Try asking your dad to name a single decent healthcare plan that only costs as much as one smartphone + cheap phone plan. Also try pointing out that the GOP once made this same argument using fridges instead of smartphones.

edited 15th Mar '17 9:31:25 PM by M84

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#178129: Mar 15th 2017 at 9:36:20 PM

Tell your father you will acknowledge his arguments as valid when smarthphones start curing cancer and other illnesses.

Inter arma enim silent leges
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#178130: Mar 15th 2017 at 9:56:05 PM

What the fuck does owning a Smartphone have to do with healthcare access considering human beings will get sick no matter what kind of income they're pulling in?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#178131: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:00:58 PM

A person on the other politics board I follow posted this picture. It basically outlines how getting Melania citizenship following her and Trump's marriage relied on Trump submitting tax returns for the last 3 years and needing 2005 in particular to be squeaky clean. In other words, if the Trump Administration are the ones who leaked the returns, the reason it was that particular year is that was the one year Trump was required to play by the rules.

edited 15th Mar '17 10:01:37 PM by sgamer82

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#178132: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:03:56 PM

I think the argument here seems to be that if one can afford a Smartphone, they can afford a healthcare plan. Now, I did a quick search on Amazon, and I found that, if one were willing to lower their expectations, they could a Smartphone at a whopping 16 dollahs', whereas the average annual deductible for a standard healthcare plan seems to be, let's see here... Ah. $4316 according to Google, and that's just for individual plans; a family plan is $7983. That's roughly 500 $16 Smartphones or so, just in case anyone was curious.,

edited 15th Mar '17 10:11:10 PM by kkhohoho

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#178133: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:08:43 PM

Old people don't understand the collapsing prices of established technology. To them, smartphones are supercomputers.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178134: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:08:54 PM

[up][up] Also, most people don't replace their smartphones every year.

edited 15th Mar '17 10:09:04 PM by M84

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Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#178135: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:25:27 PM

[up]x13 He thinks his travel ban getting shut down makes America look weak. No, that travel ban makes America look like cowardly xenophobic assholes, not strong.

edited 15th Mar '17 10:30:25 PM by Bat178

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#178136: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:32:10 PM

I was watching a documentary on the year 1964 in history class and it makes me wonder how much of this insanity can be traced to the 1964 Presidential election and Goldwater.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#178137: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:42:01 PM

This traces back to 1865 and 1877.

It's literally impossible to overstate how massively those years fucked up our long term political life.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178138: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:46:45 PM

Among other things, the whole "Lost Cause of the South" bullshit has festered for too long.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#178139: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:47:30 PM

[up][up][up]I'm actually reading a book right now on the Goldwater campaign and, more importantly, the movement that supported him in my native Orange County, California. So I'll get back to you on that once I'm finished.

Though one indication that things have changed is that Orange County voted Democrat for the first time in 80 years. Whether that applies to other areas in the Sunbelt is something I'm going to check.

edited 15th Mar '17 10:53:46 PM by Eschaton

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#178140: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:49:00 PM

History is a long series of dominos falling.

You can talk about how the American Revolution led to the French Revolution which led to the Napoleonic Wars which led to a rise in German nationalism which led to Prussia unifying Germany which led to the Franco-Prussian War to World War I which led to the Russian Revolution which led to World II and the Cold War and etc.

I mean I'm really over-simplifying it but you get the idea.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#178141: Mar 15th 2017 at 10:50:49 PM

Eh, I'd argue the French Revolution is in a tier of its own in terms of impact on human history. American Revolution ain't even close.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#178142: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:10:27 PM

The proposed budget cuts for the Department of Housing and Urban Development include the complete elimination of the Community Development Block Grant program, which funds Meals on Wheels among other things.

Remember death panels?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178143: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:13:16 PM

[up] Every time I think the GOP can't go any lower, they grab the shovel.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#178144: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:18:06 PM

From what I understand, Meals on Wheels helps a lot of senior citizens. sad

Does it not dawn upon these bastards that one day, they will be old and need to be taken care of by a program or home? Hell, a lot of them are already that age now.

I just hate these politicians. They're orifices that learned how to walk like people do.

Once again, they screw over some of the people most likely to vote for them. Am I wrong, demographically speaking?

edited 15th Mar '17 11:21:55 PM by BearyScary

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#178145: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:23:40 PM

[up] Ah, but the ones proposing these cuts tend to be rich enough to not need Meals on Wheels for the most part. They can afford the better homes or hire live-in assistants.

They either do not understand or simply don't care that Meals on Wheels is literally a matter of life or death for a lot of people.

edited 15th Mar '17 11:24:30 PM by M84

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#178146: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:28:03 PM

There is no greater sin than a "free lunch," after all. But only if it's provided by the government. "Real" charity is a-ok. And yet, the insufficiency of charity has been known for over a century, and part of why progressive policies were enacted. However:

"Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." - 2 Corinthians 9:7 (NIV translation; used by the Evangelical churches I attended as a kid).

I would argue this is one of the most counterproductive verses in the Bible, because it provides a way out for "christians" who just don't feel like giving "at the moment." So with taxes despised (ignoring that whole "give unto Casear" thing) and charity optional even by supposedly "religious" standards, it's no surprise so many people are left un-helped.

edited 15th Mar '17 11:32:29 PM by Eschaton

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
Shop Owner
#178147: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:36:57 PM

"Render unto Caesar" is one of the things that would be fairly easy reading of the Bible as supporting separation of church and state. But eh, school prayer is my right! They say.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#178148: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:37:28 PM

At least there is some hope. According to the article some of the republicans leaders declared parts of the bill dead on arrival. If we're lucky those will include the parts about cutting those programs, or the GOP would be hardheaded enough to attempt to force it though as is, stalling the bill.

edited 15th Mar '17 11:39:08 PM by MorningStar1337

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#178149: Mar 15th 2017 at 11:40:24 PM

Granted, at the time of the Bible, taxes probably weren't used in quite the same way as we use them today. And it may well have been about tithes rather than secular taxes.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#178150: Mar 16th 2017 at 1:58:10 AM

Trump wishes he'd stayed with Ban 1.0 he tells rally

also @M84, can I quote you on the shovel thing? I'd be a great topic for our Discords politics channel

edited 16th Mar '17 1:59:32 AM by 3of4

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