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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#177801: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:07:32 PM

It literally has no limits, if it's a Federal Crime.

It doesn't matter how heinous it is.

If President Trump wanted to Pardon everyone at ADX Florence, legally speaking, they'd be released tomorrow.

No, ifs ands or questions about it.

Sure he'd face ENORMOUS political backlash, but there's nothing anyone can do to stop him

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#177802: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:33:39 PM

I guess that does mean that if Bannon was convicted, Trump could immediately pardon him?

edited 12th Mar '17 12:33:51 PM by Wyldchyld

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#177803: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:35:57 PM

So yeah Bannon may well get himself a pardon if he does end up in serious trouble.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#177804: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:38:47 PM

Of course, a pardon doesn't mean he gets back into power. A conviction would make him a liability.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#177805: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:39:26 PM

[up]x7 The Washington Post covered it the same day as Daily Kos. That's something.

[up][up][up]He could, but if he did pardon him, that would only serve to further undermine the paranoid old man's presidency more than it has been already. If Bannon does end up being convicted and pardoned in the same week, (maybe even the same day,) all that's going to tell America is that the paranoid old man is completely willing to free anyone who has committed a crime so long as it suits his interests. Which means it might also be in his interests to leave Bannon to rot.

edited 12th Mar '17 12:39:49 PM by kkhohoho

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#177806: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:43:40 PM

[up]And it could, (and frankly, should) be used to fuel the "Trump is Bannon's puppet" narrative.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#177807: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:51:35 PM

Trump would still have his fortune if he lost the presidency, if Bannon turned on him he might nto be left with anything, I'd be shocked if Bannon didn't have enough dirt on Trump to see Trump put in jail.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#177808: Mar 12th 2017 at 12:53:50 PM

[up]That leaves the paranoid old man in a Catch 22; damned if he doesn't set Bannon free, and damned if he does.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#177809: Mar 12th 2017 at 1:11:31 PM

Yawn. To me both of them are worldview buddies. Given all the dirt dredged up so far, I have some difficulty conceptualizing what kind of stuff that Bannon could have that would hurt Trump.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#177810: Mar 12th 2017 at 1:18:16 PM

I have some difficulty conceptualizing what kind of stuff that Bannon could have that would hurt Trump.

Proof of rape/sexual assault? Proof of a direct and explicit Russia connection? Proof of something untoward with his daughter?

edited 12th Mar '17 1:19:23 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#177811: Mar 12th 2017 at 1:29:47 PM

Bannon would probably know about the stuff with Trump and Russia and know how to prove it.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#177812: Mar 12th 2017 at 1:31:41 PM

It would have to be something really heinous. Since the two are largely cut from the same cloth, neither would recognize the other's lesser evils (stuff that the opposition would gladly crucify them over) as being evil enough to bother with.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#177813: Mar 12th 2017 at 1:32:25 PM

Not convinced that going by word of Bannon would land the evil dog in trouble. Like philosophy, like dishonesty most likely.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#177814: Mar 12th 2017 at 1:42:39 PM

It would have to totally concrete proof of Trump committing something like treason.

Mc Cain is also calling on Trump is put up or shut up with regards to the wire tapping BS.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/12/politics/john-mccain-donald-trump/index.html

edited 12th Mar '17 1:43:52 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#177815: Mar 12th 2017 at 3:54:47 PM

And tomorrow, Mc Cain will fall in line and vote to have the investigations anyway

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#177816: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:21:19 PM

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Republican Senators voted this down, if they go ahead with it its asking for embarrassment at best. When the Democratic response is essentially "Bring It", they realize that this is nothing but hot air. Unless there was wire tapping...for a justified reason. That coming out would be worse.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#177817: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:29:41 PM

This can't be anything but hot air. The point still stands that Trump—provided he remembers he's the president—can pick up the phone and demand the relevant agencies explain themselves, which they're legally bound to do.
And if they won't answer Trump, the chances of them answering Congress are just above the chances of one of us spontaneously teleporting to the best restaurant in Rome.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#177818: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:35:10 PM

I don't really trust the Republicans not to 'put up or shut up' when it comes to a chance to attack Obama.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#177819: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:42:18 PM

It's been pointed out that if Trump was caught doing something incriminating on a wiretap, it would be because investigators are wiretapping foreign (most likely Russian) officials and he was in contact with them, not because he himself was being personally wiretapped.

He's been oddly silent since he made that accusation, though. Wonder what happened.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#177820: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:48:03 PM

When Trump is silent on something, that's when you know something bad is in there. At least from Trump's perspective. The tax returns, for example, probably just show that Trump really doesn't have very much money, which he would think everyone knowing is the end of the world, but it's pretty much the only thing he doesn't constantly whine about. Maybe he claimed that he paid contractors on his taxes when he actually stiffed them, and he's worried about what would happen if the contractors in question found out.

edited 12th Mar '17 4:48:59 PM by Zendervai

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#177821: Mar 12th 2017 at 4:57:55 PM

Trump's revised travel ban order loses its first court battle

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#177822: Mar 12th 2017 at 5:07:14 PM

The first hundred days is becoming a massive wake-up call for the Great Pumpkinhead. He keeps hitting the snooze button, but it just goes off again five minutes later.

Trump was doubtless expecting that being POTUS would be just like his companies and TV shows: he says jump, and everyone scrambles to fulfill his whim. Thankfully, there are judges, federal attorneys, and civil servants who respect the law, and will tell the Orange One: "You can't do that; the Presidency doesn't have that power."

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#177823: Mar 12th 2017 at 6:51:23 PM

Concerning that Tim Canova tweet...

Yeah, I can see why this guy lost to DWS of all people.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#177824: Mar 12th 2017 at 7:14:35 PM

Trying to support your BS by pinning the murder of an innocent man in your political opponents is repugnant.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#177825: Mar 12th 2017 at 7:31:11 PM

[up] It's downright...deplorable.

Disgusted, but not surprised

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