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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Since we're arguing about BOB's possible responsibility for the elections result, I just read this Huff Po article: The Bernie Sanders Campaign Faced A Fake News Tsunami. Where Did It Come From?
It basically says there was a lot of astroturfing bullshit to turn Sanders supporters against Clinton.
There was a lot of astroturfing bullshit to turn everybody against Clinton. Russia ran a prolonged smear campaign intended to come at her from every possible angle and flood people's senses with ridiculous nonsense. Remember her child-sex slavery ring in the secret basement of a pizza parlor?
That it worked is a startling indictment of the voting public. I would be shocked if details of this election don't become extremely popular overseas. Never before have places like North Korea had such a fantastic argument against Western Democracy.
edited 12th Mar '17 7:12:52 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/cotton-obamacare-repeal-235967
Cotton warns House GOP about health care bill
“The bill probably can be fixed, but it’s going to take a lot of carpentry on that framework,” Cotton told host George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week.” “As it’s written today, this bill in the House of Representatives cannot pass the Senate. And I believe it would have adverse consequences for millions of Americans. and it wouldn't deliver on our promises to reduce the cost of health insurance for Americans.”
Also:
“I'm afraid that if they vote for this bill, they're going to put the House majority at risk next year,” he said. “I just do not think that this bill can pass the Senate. And, therefore, I think the House should take a pause and try to get as close as we can to a good result before they send to it the Senate.”
edited 12th Mar '17 8:30:09 AM by sgamer82
Don't sell us all short. Fear and loathing of the unknown and macho behavior might have been life-saving when the human species was dependent upon swinging spears at woolly mammoths. In the context of swinging nukes...maybe not.
Anyway, the BBC brings it Trump welcomes government jobs report he once derided
The US economy added 235,000 new jobs in February, Mr Trump's first full month in office.
He retweeted a news report with the caption: "GREAT AGAIN".
During a campaign speech last August, Mr Trump called the Department of Labor numbers one of the "biggest hoaxes in American modern politics".
Challenged about this contradiction at Friday's daily news briefing, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said Mr Trump believes, "they may have been phony in the past but it's very real now."
Much of the growth is being attributed by analysts to an unusually clement few weeks, allowing construction projects and hiring to continue uninterrupted.
Last month was the warmest February on record.
Two years ago in a press conference, Mr Trump attacked the official unemployment rate, calling it "such a phony number" and "the biggest joke".
He asserted that some "great economists" estimate the real US jobless rate is as high as 32% or 42%.
Politi Fact, a fact-checking website, rated this claim as "pants on fire" false.
Mr Trump's US treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin, said during his confirmation hearing that "the unemployment rate is not real".
edited 12th Mar '17 8:33:07 AM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our livesWritten language. It allows for continuity of discoveries, which gives our dumbf*ck species the ability to build on whatever their dumbf*ck ancestors discovered without having to spend our entire lives relearning the fact that wheels work better if they don't have corners.
Our technological prowess basically has nothing to do with how smart we are and everything to do with the fact that we can write shit down for future generations to not bash their skulls against the same rocks we did.
And, as we see with the current global warming debacle, even that's limited in its ability to help us. We ain't the super-genius post-animal uberspecies we want to be. Even many our morals are based on something that some asshole wrote down a long time ago.
edited 12th Mar '17 8:37:48 AM by TobiasDrake
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Aaaaaand we're veering into miring ourselves in negativity again. I reiterate the warning that wallowing in that sort of thing is not a productive use of this thread.
Also I refute the idea that the invention of writing is not, somehow, an incredibly smart thing that helped to catapult our species into more advanced living than mere subsistence. Language and the ability to write are one of the most basic and widely used tools of humanity, and probably one of our greatest strengths. You pointed out the whole "continuity of discoveries" which allows us to build more discoveries on top of those that happened before, making us smarter as a whole. You literally defeat your own pessimistic point there.
Because people in this thread are upset and pissed off and just absolutely have to assume it's because humanity as a whole is moronic instead of generally intelligent with genuine and deep divides about how the world ought to be run. And also we will never, ever be better than we are, because there's no way we possibly could be. *side eyes like half the people in the thread*
edited 12th Mar '17 8:45:24 AM by AceofSpades
x6 Funny you speak about the federal jobs report
◊ (Warning: Blatant GOP double standard).
Seconding that. People, us latin-american tropers have had worse shit to deal with, politically speaking, and none of the things Trump does are new to us. I'll even say that I'm somewhat more worried about what the post Trump political landscape is gonna look like, since I'm currently living in the equivalent of that.
edited 12th Mar '17 8:56:20 AM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVNothing to wallow in. It's a reality of our species that we aren't super-special snowflakes gifted by God with super-intelligence and born to rule over the land with our unbreakable superior moral code. That kind of exceptionalism is what gets us into all kinds of messes, up to and including the one we're in now wherein nobody bothered refuting Trump's claims 'cause we all know humans are super-smart and everyone would totally see through his bullshit.
As soon as we declare that we are too smart for a thing, we become extremely vulnerable to that exact thing. Like, there are entire cons rooted around the fact that dumbf*ck humans overly proud of their intelligence are some of the easiest to manipulate and fool. Ever heard of the Kansas City Shuffle?
One of the mistakes in Clinton's campaign was that she gave too much credit to the average voter's bullshit filter.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You know, dont like to said this because it make me sound as asshole but as someone who lived in venezuela, a country who chose a populist and them ANOTHER one(in case you are wondering, imagine having the GOP in power for 17 YEARS and tend you will get it) which pretty much fuck the country up and down(we have a 800 inflation, the biggest on the damn world, so much for a oil country and it will turn higher next year) I find this negativity just pure self pity "look how can we chose someone like this? clearly means we are stupid, stupid people, oh the woe!" even when you have gived trump a more organized resistence that many other countries would wish to see in their own.
So I get you are upset but please, just....dont go overboard with that.
edited 12th Mar '17 9:15:17 AM by unknowing
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Sadly, stupid people are not the only ones who fall for a Con Man. The confidence that comes with intelligence may actually make one even more susceptible. There's a reason it's called a confidence game. I'm pretty sure a lot of Bernie Madoff's victims were intelligent and educated people.
edited 12th Mar '17 9:02:35 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprised![]()
Right now? messy. I'll be able to say clearly if good or bad by the midterm elections. (October)
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We actually had YEARS before anyone tried fighting back against our populist government, these gringos already started the day after.
edited 12th Mar '17 9:13:06 AM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV@Tobias; Yes, yes it is wallowing. We've had enough of it in this thread. If all you're going to post about is how awful we are as a species or as a country then you might as well not post at all because it's not contributing to the conversation. I don't want to have to go through a pages long slog of that kind of conversation again.
In actual news on the actual topic, it seems like some members of Congress are demanding some evidence of the wiretapping by tomorrow. Probably not going to happen, because unless the DOJ was investigating someone Trump was involved with, there was no wiretapping of Trump.
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I im laughting about how people complain of Trump unfair treatment of media since a few ago Maduro pretty much kicked CNN out of the country, Donald wished to do that but just rant like that angry grampa who nobody gives a shit.
even when their government are populist the damn gringos manage to be first world about it
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"We're having us a scare, we are. Mostly I'm just "uuuuuuugh" and just thinking how I'm going to wait this out and wondering how hard it will be to find myself a job. (I'm not qualified for much and the one I have is not going anywhere I'm satisfied with.)
Mostly it just makes me feel tired to think about, so I try to keep positive. They haven't destroyed the judiciary branch or the media just yet, so I'm thinking we're doing relatively ok.

@M84: I'm actually a little more sympathetic to people who were upset over that since it was a pretty blatant and cynical move to keep anyone associated with Sanders out of any influential position in the party, regardless of how iconoclast they really were.
It's really good that both Perez and Ellison are so amenable to each other, as their open cooperation probably smoothed things over enough to keep any genuine in-fighting from happening.