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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#177326: Mar 8th 2017 at 4:50:53 PM

[up]Just means if they want to implement it they have to do it fast before anyone can object in any meaningful sense.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#177327: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:03:11 PM

[up][up]Huh? Trump endorsed the law didn't he?

Also it should be called Republicare. This needs to be an albatross around the neck of the entire party. It's all their fault.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#177328: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:30:41 PM

Sean Spicer says Trump does not approve of Wikeleaks, in reference to their most recent batch of leaks on the CIA's potential to hack phones and smart TV's.

So there's another ally he's throwing under the bus. At least he's now (sort of, kind of) has a position that is consistent...

edited 8th Mar '17 5:31:21 PM by DingoWalley1

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#177329: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:32:21 PM

It wouldn't shock me if Putin is telling him to do that so he can distance himself from them.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#177330: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:32:44 PM

In before people link to any and all tweets praising WikiLeaks.

edited 8th Mar '17 5:32:53 PM by sgamer82

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#177331: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:39:48 PM

NYU just did a study that gender-swapped Hillary and Trump and it seems that the results were surprising. People find female Trump even more likeable than male Trump or even Male Hillary still.

Millions had tuned in to watch a man face off against a woman for the first set of co-ed presidential debates in American history. But how would their perceptions change, she wondered, if the genders of the candidates were switched? She pictured an actress playing Trump, replicating his words, gestures, body language, and tone verbatim, while an actor took on Clinton’s role in the same way. What would the experiment reveal about male and female communication styles, and the differing standards by which we unconsciously judge them?

“The atmosphere among the standing-room-only crowd, which appeared mostly drawn from academic circles, was convivial, but also a little anxious,” Alexis Soloski, a New York Times reporter who attended the first performance, observed. “Most of the people there had watched the debates assuming that Ms. Clinton couldn’t lose. This time they watched trying to figure out how Mr. Trump could have won.”

"I’ve never had an audience be so articulate about something so immediately after the performance,” Salvatore says of the cathartic discussions. “For me, watching people watch it was so informative. People across the board were surprised that their expectations about what they were going to experience were upended.”

Many were shocked to find that they couldn’t seem to find in Jonathan Gordon what they had admired in Hillary Clinton—or that Brenda King’s clever tactics seemed to shine in moments where they’d remembered Donald Trump flailing or lashing out. For those Clinton voters trying to make sense of the loss, it was by turns bewildering and instructive, raising as many questions about gender performance and effects of sexism as it answered.

Based on the conversations after the performances, it sounded like audience members had their beliefs rattled in a similar way. What were some themes that emerged from their responses?

We heard a lot of “now I understand how this happened”—meaning how Trump won the election. People got upset. There was a guy two rows in front of me who was literally holding his head in his hands, and the person with him was rubbing his back. The simplicity of Trump’s message became easier for people to hear when it was coming from a woman—that was a theme. One person said, “I’m just so struck by how precise Trump’s technique is.” Another—a musical theater composer, actually—said that Trump created “hummable lyrics,” while Clinton talked a lot, and everything she was was true and factual, but there was no “hook” to it. Another theme was about not liking either candidate—you know, “I wouldn’t vote for either one.” Someone said that Jonathan Gordon [the male Hillary Clinton] was “really punchable” because of all the smiling. And a lot of people were just very surprised by the way it upended their expectations about what they thought they would feel or experience. There was someone who described Brenda King [the female Donald Trump] as his Jewish aunt who would take care of him, even though he might not like his aunt. Someone else described her as the middle school principal who you don’t like, but you know is doing good things for you.

What did you find most surprising?

...I was surprised by how critical I was seeing [Clinton] on a man’s body, and also by the fact that I didn’t find Trump’s behavior on a woman to be off-putting. I remember turning to Maria at one point in the rehearsals and saying, "I kind of want to have a beer with her!" The majority of my extended family voted for Trump. In some ways, I developed empathy for people who voted for him by doing this project, which is not what I was expecting. I expected it to make me more angry at them, but it gave me an understanding of what they might have heard or experienced when he spoke.

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/march/trump-clinton-debates-gender-reversal.html

edited 8th Mar '17 5:40:42 PM by MadSkillz

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#177332: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:47:45 PM

[up] JFC, there are still people who think "I'd grab a beer with them" is a reason to give someone power!?

Disgusted, but not surprised
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#177333: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:50:47 PM

[up][up]...Well that was horrifying. And reinforces the notion that Hillary was exactly the wrong person to run this year, because clearly her qualifications were irrelevant.

I mean, FFS, you cannot expect Obama or someone like him to fall into your convention every year, but you need to do some planning when not.

edited 8th Mar '17 5:52:41 PM by ViperMagnum357

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#177334: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:52:21 PM

[up] Politics: the only field where having a detailed resume and years of experience actually hurt your chances of gaining the highest position.

Disgusted, but not surprised
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#177335: Mar 8th 2017 at 5:57:16 PM

[up] And this is why 2020 might be the year Politics turns into a Celebrity Contest (With Trump and Kanye definitely running, and Oprah potentially running as well).

But yeah, what I really take from this is that you cannot run a Robot for President, not in this modern age. The Candidate has to have some charisma, and unfortunately, Trump did but Clinton did not.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#177336: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:00:09 PM

That is absolutely fascinating.

I would very much to see the whole thing, since the clip on the article is on trade, ones of the areas where I distinctly remember that Trump performed better. Emphasis on performance.

And the Unfortunate Implications are still present, though not just in the way that I initially expected:

I was particularly struck by the post-performance discussions about effeminacy. People felt that the male version of Clinton was feminine, and that that was bad. As a gay man who worked really hard, especially when I was younger, to erase femininity from my body—for better or worse—I found myself feeling really upset hearing those things.

Daryl [the actor playing Jonathan Gordon, the male Clinton] and I have talked about this multiple times since the performances. Never once in rehearsal did we say, “play this more feminine.” So I think it was mostly the smiling piece—so many women have told me that they’re taught to smile through things that are uncomfortable. It’s been really powerful to hear women talk about that, and a learning experience for me.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#177337: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:00:46 PM

Going back to Trumpdontcare..

Apparently if it passes states won't be able to opt out.

So much for mandates being wrong. IOKIYAR

edited 8th Mar '17 6:07:16 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#177338: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:09:45 PM

Doesn't the primary problem they have with the ACA boil down to the fact that everyone gets treated fairly?

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#177339: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:11:35 PM

@Dingo: Ok, nothing Oprah said seemed to indicate she was actually thinking of running, just that she was stunned about the whole thing. And, has Kanye actually stated he was going to run? Because I very much doubt he is and quite frankly I don't see why we should believe that he would.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#177340: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:13:29 PM

[up] Yeah, I'm not exactly inclined to take anything Kanye says too seriously.

[up][up] Their real problem with the ACA is that it's partly funded by taxes on the rich.

edited 8th Mar '17 6:14:14 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#177341: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:15:18 PM

[up][up]West is the type of guy to blow a lot of smoke up his ass so yeah I'll believe it when I see it.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#177342: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:24:47 PM

[up][up][up] Technically, Kanye has flip flopped on whether he's going to run in 2020, or 2024. Currently, it does appear that he's going to run in 2020. Also, I'd advise against saying "I don't trust X to run", because that is how we ended up with Trump.

As for Oprah, perhaps I am misinterpreting her remarks, and perhaps she won't run. With our current political Climate, however, nothing would surprise me.

edited 8th Mar '17 6:24:56 PM by DingoWalley1

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#177343: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:26:47 PM

Their real problem with the ACA is that it's partly funded by taxes on the rich.

IE: The people who can actually afford paying them?

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#177344: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:35:39 PM

[up][up]Exactly. Hell, I wouldn't rule out Mickey Mouse somehow against all odds not only getting a legitimate slot in the ballot, but winning.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#177345: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:38:22 PM

[up]Have you ever seen Black Mirror? They had an episode that did something similar.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#177346: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:48:54 PM

You might want to get this out: law enforcement agencies around the nation are reporting a 911 outage for AT&T customers.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#177347: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:57:14 PM

Every AT&T user in America is simultaneously killed.

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#177348: Mar 8th 2017 at 6:57:30 PM

[up][up] Good thing I have Cox instead.

edited 8th Mar '17 6:57:41 PM by Bat178

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#177349: Mar 8th 2017 at 7:01:44 PM

[up]x4But that character was kind of a more human Trump. tongue

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#177350: Mar 8th 2017 at 7:05:53 PM

[up][up][up]Can confirm. Was killed.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison

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