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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I believe it was asked that we let up on these youtube links and so on that aren't directly related to the topic.
Anyway, considering that this cutting to funding frequently leads to health clinics getting shut down, and subsequently no other health clinics being set up in line with "republican values" maybe something like a Brown Vs the board of education case will ensue. Maybe.
In any event, to actually overturn Roe V Wade you'd have to get a court case to go all the way to the SC, which would take years. The president never had the authority to just overturn a Supreme Court decision, and in this day and age you're expected to abide by those things.
It's official: Ryancare/Trumpcare is in the House
. It's 123 pages long and provides the following:
- Repeals Obamacare's fines immediately, its taxes in 2018
- Keeps Medicaid expansions until 2020, then demands a complete restructuring of Medicaid
- Replaces Income-Based Subsidies with Age-Based Subsidies
- Does not Tax the most generous Business-given Healthcare Options, despite earlier drafts proposing the idea
- Keeps most of the Protections from Obamacare (No denial for Pre-Existing Conditions and the like)
Over all, this is a worse version of Obamacare, and will not protect many of the 20 Million who already have Insurance through it. With the Taxes, Medicaid Expansion, Protections and Subsidies still in place, though, I don't think it will pass the House or Senate. The Teapublicans will make sure of that in the Senate.
The vote is on Wednesday in the House for this bill. Let's watch and see what happens.
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Not even remotely surprised that the Republicans' Replacement plan is just "ACA but shittier". I'd compare it to a foreign bootleg of a movie, but that seems to be an insult to foreign bootlegs.
I'm still at a loss for words over Ben Carson's "Slaves = immigrants" bullshit. Blithering moron.
Disgusted, but not surprisedYay, dump the individual mandate. Now nobody will buy insurance until they get sick, and the system will collapse because of adverse selection pressure. GG
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Ace Well that doesn't really make any sense. Not everyone's going to find a joke funny and this is what's called an inside joke. A joke tailored to a small group of people who have shared particular experience on this case having watched that movie.
I mean I could turn it back on you and ask what was even the point of pointing that out? It added nothing to the discussion and wasn't helpful, insightful or all that interesting. It's not even a justified response.
edited 6th Mar '17 5:46:21 PM by MadSkillz
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It can pass, but considering 3 Republicans in the Senate have been yelling about how terrible the Republican replacement is because it actually tries to protect people without money (Cruz, Paul and one of the Utah Senators), it also has a good chance of failing. If it does pass, expect a lot of backlash from Objectivist Libertarian organizations that wanted a complete repeal of Obamacare, not a watering down of it, not to mention the Republican Voters who lose coverage and Moderates who liked the law (recently, but still).
As for the time table, most of the stuff happens immediately, with the Tax being removed next year, and Medicaid expansions being ended in 2020. Problem is, if this bill does pass, Obamacare would be watered down until at least 2020; even if the Democrats gain both the House and the Senate in 2018, they wouldn't have an outright majority in the Senate and could not over-ride a Veto from Trump. Since this law doesn't really outright kill Obamacare, though, Obamacare can be saved by 2020. 2024? That's a different matter entirely...
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Differences are huge here; this is actual policy they ran on, they didn't run on caring about Trump's cabinet picks. These politicians actually depend on Organizations that pay them to say "No Entitlements, period". If the Teapublicans do vote yes, they will lose their sponsors and be primaried out, because Teapublicans are very cut-throat. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan and several "Mainstream" Republicans are primaried out as well over this (Making Democrat victory in the House assured). Unless Trump is willing to pick up the slack and pay for every Republican's primary that supported him and his policies (spoiler alert, he won't), many Republicans, especially the Teapublicans, can not vote yes. If they do? Expect them to not get another chance to go against Democrats and get creamed in 2018...
edited 6th Mar '17 5:54:06 PM by DingoWalley1
You say that as if they care and/or expect their base to actually notice.
Remember, politics boils down to "MY SIDE GOOD! THEIR SIDE BAD!" I don't doubt for a second they'll take a Republican ACA over a Democratic one. Its actual value is irrelevant beyond that.
edited 6th Mar '17 5:55:57 PM by sgamer82
I suspect that killing the ACA is in fact the point. What with Ryan being an Ayn Rand worshiper and all.
Deliberately sabotage the law in a way that takes time to take effect, refuse to let anyone fix it, then when it inevitably does fail, step back in and preach about how this is proof that government can't do anything right and that the only solution is to get government out and let the inherently superior private market take care of it. In this particular case, throw in a side of "Universal health-care can't work in the USA because of [insert bullshit Republican reason/talking point of the day here], and we shouldn't even try."
This has been the Republican playbook since at least 1981.
| Wandering, but not lost. | If people bring so much courage to this world...◊ |Planned Parenthood will not accept Trumps' offer to keep Federal Funding for dropping Abortion from their services
. I wish I had money to give them a donation, but I don't.

edited 6th Mar '17 4:26:34 PM by kkhohoho