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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#176626: Mar 1st 2017 at 7:57:24 PM

[up][up] But the Republicans in the Senate have no will to go after any of Trump's appointee's. We have several Republicans who are still supporting Flynn and decrying any investigation or attempts at investigating him, or Trump, or anything dealing with Russia.

Sessions should be screwed! But he's safe as long as Dem's are in the minority.

edited 1st Mar '17 7:57:42 PM by DingoWalley1

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176627: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:07:00 PM

Remember what happened with Flynn

Also Sessions' spokesperson just confirmed that Sessions did speak with Russia meaning he lied under oath

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#176628: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:07:28 PM

This is like a Tom Clancy novel. Or a bad knockoff of one. sad

Did Sessions' spokesperson throw him under the bus? surprised

edited 1st Mar '17 8:08:23 PM by BearyScary

Do not obey in advance.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#176629: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:14:40 PM

[up]I think we are stuck inside a modern day Hearts Of Iron mod.sad And the AI has gonna bonkers.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#176630: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:23:06 PM

[up][up][up] I remember that Trump said it was because he couldn't trust Flynn. I don't think he doesn't trust Sessions yet, especially when he sided with Sessions over DeVos over Transgender Students Bathroom rights.

Also, if he did lie under oath (I don't know if Senate Hearings are under oath, they might be) then Tillerson, Pruitt, DeVos, Mnuchin and Friedmen (from a 2 page Google search) are also all in trouble. Maybe Sessions' thing is different enough (IE, he was caught lying after getting the job, not during it) that the Senate might consider a serious inquiry on him, but I severely doubt it. Again, Republicans want to give Trump's administration a blank pass and let him work with whomever, and do whatever, he wants.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#176631: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:34:10 PM

Not sure if this was mentioned, Trump warned Pelosi she was making the Democratic party irrelevant and we could end up as a one-party country because of her during a Fox and Friends interview that aired before Trump's speech to Congress.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176632: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:54:09 PM

Most of the partisan-left news I see is saying he was under oath and Politico says house Democrats are saying he was under oath.

On the subject of ambassador spies: I've been reading about both diplomats and spies lately and in the US (and probably "the west") at least having those cross over is discouraged: if people don't trust your diplomats it's harder for them to honestly conduct diplomacy. Russia seems to have no such reservations though.

The actual job descriptions of diplomats and spies are fairly similar in some aspects though: a lot of it is talking to people and cultivating information sources. But a spy may eventually try to convert those sources into actively working for their side, through persuasion, blackmail or otherwise.

edited 1st Mar '17 8:58:57 PM by Elle

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#176633: Mar 1st 2017 at 8:58:47 PM

[up] Russia (especially under former KGB guy Putin) takes Realpolitik way too far. People like him still don't get that this way of thinking is not some kind of Necessary Evil in civilization. It erodes the very foundation of civilization itself: namely, trust.

And yeah, I can see how it might be difficult to negotiate with someone whom you suspect is stealing info and blackmailing people.

edited 1st Mar '17 9:04:13 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#176634: Mar 1st 2017 at 9:14:35 PM

CNN on TV reported that Sessions met with the Russian Ambassador in his PERSONAL OFFICE!!

[lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol][lol]

I fucking can't!

New Survey coming this weekend!
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#176635: Mar 1st 2017 at 9:15:36 PM

Direct crossover tends to be rare due to the trust issues it causes and the issues of conflicting training. However you do tend to get intelligence officers having the cover of embassy staff, they won't be the actual ambassador though, they'll be the third secretary for naval affairs or some other non-position. They'll do basic diplomatic work as part of their cover but nothing actually important, just enough that they can't be I Ded by the host country.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#176636: Mar 1st 2017 at 9:25:45 PM

If this is a coverup it's the most incompetent one ever.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176637: Mar 1st 2017 at 9:30:30 PM

[up]The current administration in a nutshell.tongue

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#176638: Mar 1st 2017 at 9:31:40 PM

Embassies also do a degree of business in actually getting info back to the home country due to Diplomatic Impunity. But yeah, usually the diplomat isn't actually the spy.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#176639: Mar 1st 2017 at 9:42:00 PM

[up] Like Silasw mentioned above, you don't want a guy who is going to be facing a lot of cameras, interviews, and in general expected to have a very public life to act as your spy. Better to have the unassuming secretary or even janitor be the one.

Disgusted, but not surprised
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#176640: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:06:29 AM

Well, it seems like all the hope the Russian government had for this administration being great for them is kind of disappearing. Can't really use an asset if everyone knows they're an asset of yours. Or suspects it, at any rate.

As bizarre and distressing as this stuff is, I hope more information and rumors keep coming out about this. It's kind of spiteful, but the more bad rumors and shit coming out the more ineffective I think Trump and the Republicans are going to be. I don't doubt they could do harm anyway, but the more bad press there is about them the more they're going to worry about keeping their offices.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#176641: Mar 2nd 2017 at 1:34:42 AM

I, for one, am enjoying the hell out of all the schadenfreude I'm getting out of the failures of this administration and their failure to keep their lying members in the cabinet. I just hope that they continue to fail to smear their feces all over this country and our allies.

Do not obey in advance.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176642: Mar 2nd 2017 at 4:10:30 AM

Im afraid all Putin really wanted was to weaken us. He successfully accomplished that much I think.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#176643: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:47:14 AM

Skipped 17 pages. What did I miss?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#176644: Mar 2nd 2017 at 5:54:39 AM

[up]Sessions was a Russian mole too and the Trump campaign had met with Russian agents before the election.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#176645: Mar 2nd 2017 at 6:07:09 AM

Skipped 17 pages. What did I miss?
I wish people would stop doing this. This is a discussion thread, not your personal news outlet. Either lurk for a bit to see what people are talking about or actually read some damn news, don't ask people here to spoon feed you.

Regarding Sessions, we'll have to see how Congress reacts. Congress does not like being lied to, and doing so while under oath is, you know, massively illegal. There's a good chance that enough Republicans will be pissed off at Sessions' behavior that there could be some movement from that quarter. It's not guaranteed, of course, but I wouldn't write it off yet either.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#176646: Mar 2nd 2017 at 6:37:30 AM

[up]Too be fair, sometimes important things happen in some of our day-to-day lives and it could be daunting to have to read a lot of pages to catch up with just one or two days worth of news. I mean, during the primaries I was in the middle of some tests for college and I didn't realize Rubio wasn't in the race anymore until Cruz dropped out and people said it was just Trump and Kasich in the race.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#176647: Mar 2nd 2017 at 6:51:19 AM

Doubly so when mostly irrelevant stuff is posted.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#176648: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:01:00 AM

This thread moves very fast these days. If you're not in an American TZ, a lot can happen in only one night.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176649: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:16:22 AM

Browsing headlines on Google News will get you caught up with the big bombshells faster than asking here.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#176650: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:22:32 AM

Even senior Republicans are now calling for Sessions to recuse himself from the Russia investigations.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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