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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#176426: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:42:22 PM

Two new executive orders. Because, why not. It's been too long since the last one. One of them involves undoing the Waters of the United States rule, because who the fuck needs clean water?

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#176427: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:47:18 PM

Maybe Republicans are hoping that with enough lead in water, even more people will be too brain-damaged to vote against them?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#176428: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:48:21 PM

[up][up] Keep in mind Trump drinks a lot of water...

[up] Of course it will kill a lot of their supporters, but they don't actually care about the people they supposedly represent.

edited 28th Feb '17 12:50:16 PM by Bat178

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#176429: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:52:49 PM

And the water one is already getting blocked by the courts of I skimmed that correctly

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176430: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:58:42 PM

[up]x4

"Lots of things there you can drink/but stay away from the kitchen sink/throw out your breakfast garbage, and I've got a hunch/ that the folks downstream will drink it for lunch!"

edited 28th Feb '17 1:00:06 PM by kkhohoho

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#176431: Feb 28th 2017 at 12:59:14 PM

I just heard from Michael Savage's Radio Program (My mom has that channel on 24/7) that Trump "is Willing to compromise on Immigration", where he'd allow Non-Criminal Illegal Immigrants the right to stay in the Country without fear or persecution for simply being here.

If that's true (and I don't know if it's true), that'd a) be a good thing, and b) weaken Trump's appeal with White Supremicists and Alt-Righters.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176432: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:06:23 PM

It's so bizarre seeing how immigration-friendly the Republicans were in 1980.

Also interesting to note that George HW Bush had Mexican grandchildren at that point.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#176433: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:16:06 PM

Well, yeah, because Jeb had married his wife by then. They've probably been a bit friendlier to the whole immigrant thing specifically because, hey, it does in fact affect someone they supposedly care about.

We can complain about the idea that we should have compassion for others regardless of whether or not we know them, but it sure is a hell of a lot easier to have compassion and sympathy when you can see the affects up close and personal.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#176434: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:30:36 PM

I don't think Trump is mentally ill, I think he's just an gigantic asshole.

Inter arma enim silent leges
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176435: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:36:13 PM

He used be coherent back when he was 33:

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#176436: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:36:59 PM

[up] He definitely looked a lot better back then, too.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176437: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:39:41 PM

And wow, he almost bought the World Trade Center. How's that for about of alternative history?

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#176438: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:45:38 PM

In defence of armchair diagnoses...

A lot of people are walking around undiagnosed. Mainly because they don't realise they have a condition, because others are unwilling to discuss that they might have one or because the kind of condition they have means they are unlikely to put two and two together.

Does this excuse their behaviour? No: because you can have a condition which is well-managed and which doesn't go into disordered territory. Not all those with antisocial personality disorder turn into axe-murderers, after all: some become really good CEOs. Others don't. Just as autism comes in flavours, so do many conditions.

But, not talking about something that is blatantly obvious because you "don't want to step where professional diagnosis is needed" means it's unlikely to happen. And, those exhibiting extreme narcissism are the most unlikely to ever let themselves get professionally diagnosed, because they are the most likely to be unable to see the problem.

As a society, we need to acknowledge this: undiagnosed conditions walk among us and impact everybody, including those with them. And, it's not usually happy for anybody. Because if anybody thinks Trump is a happy camper, they are not paying attention. At no point has he ever been taught skills to help him cope successfully with what he has, because nobody intervened properly. It's not his fault he doesn't have the skills: but, his behaviour is still his responsibility, regardless. The consequences of nobody acting on his behalf early on in his life has given us... this.

edited 28th Feb '17 1:51:20 PM by Euodiachloris

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#176439: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:50:34 PM

Eudo, we're not denying any of what you said. We're just saying that it's getting both overboard and really fucking gross in this thread, and is also verging into "evil and mental illness are the same thing" territory. None of us here are qualified psychologists or therapists, and we really shouldn't be speculating so much on anyone's mental health when we can't be sure that we're not just projecting what we want to see onto the situation. Plus, us speculating is kind of useless because we're not in a situation where we can help Trump if he does in fact have that kind of problem. It's not really being done out of concern, it is in part motivated by spite in this case.

We need to expect better of ourselves.

edited 28th Feb '17 1:52:05 PM by AceofSpades

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#176440: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:56:11 PM

What ace of spades said.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#176441: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:57:03 PM

[up][up]So tackle that point: mental health is physical health (neurogentic studies are making that as plain as day — when you can start pointing at specific proteins found throughout the body, it ain't just in your head). No more and no less evil. Somebody can lash out at others when in extreme pain — doesn't matter if it's because they've been stabbed or because they're going through a divorce. Tackling that pain is the important thing, and pain doesn't equal evil.

Disordered doesn't equal evil. Doing bad things, however... that's a different kettle of week-old fish. And, even people without any condition whatsoever can do really, really bad things. See the Milgram experiment. See the Stanford prison experiment.

Call bad things out — but, they don't make anybody EVIL...

edited 28th Feb '17 2:00:41 PM by Euodiachloris

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176442: Feb 28th 2017 at 1:59:56 PM

The President is thinking about adding the topic to his speech tonight to a joint session of Congress, though either way an immigration bill remains a desire for his first term. The topic of enforcing current immigration laws is already in the speech, the official said. The President believes that the nation is now in a position where it can pass immigration legislation, the senior administration official said, with the need to have "a softening on both sides. There's got to be a coming together." A path to citizenship for those in the country illegally would not be part of Trump's vision for this deal, with the possible exception of "Dreamers" — those brought into the US illegally as children. The President envisions a bill where those who haven't committed any serious crimes could stay in the US legally, holding a job and paying taxes, without having to worry about being deported. The President does not see the bill as something that would necessarily upset his base, since both sides would need to compromise. "It has to be a negotiation," the official said, arguing that the bill theoretically could make people on both the "far right" and "far left" happy.

I'm curious about the political implications if he pushes through that EO on immigration.

Seems like his base would revolt.

And I mean there are 2 million DREA Mers in America.

500 k in California

300 k in Texas

100 k in Florida

90 K in New York

85 K in Illinois

So this should make Florida and Texas go bluer a little faster. That's good.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#176443: Feb 28th 2017 at 2:18:45 PM

Senate Republicans will not support cutting funding to State Department.

The rumored 2018 Budget Trump wants to create is DOA at this point. The lack of cuts to Entitlement Programs makes it dead to the House, the cuts to the State Department makes it dead to the Senate.

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#176444: Feb 28th 2017 at 2:39:54 PM

Has this been posted yet?

Because that "happy Hannukah" back then doesn't seem to be amounting to squat. As expected of this presidency, I suppose.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#176445: Feb 28th 2017 at 2:55:23 PM

Yeah, sadly I'm sensing BS. Whatever happened to all of those hate crimes that he hasn't addressed? Like the ones I've heard were committed in his name?

edited 28th Feb '17 2:56:52 PM by BearyScary

Do not obey in advance.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176446: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:01:28 PM

A minor note on armchair diagnosis: it's also a violation of medical ethics guidelines for a professional practitioner to publicly opine on someone's mental health. If the person isn't their patient it's hearsay and if they are it's a violation of doctor-patient privilege (unless the person has consented to the discussion).

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#176447: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:08:18 PM

Canadian schools are now reconsidering trips to the US, out of a fear that some of them will be mistreated.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-school-boards-u-s-trips-travel-ban-1.4000033

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#176448: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:13:54 PM

(Something for my setting to consider)

I presume that other locations outside of Canada are too far away?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176449: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:14:20 PM

[up][up]As an American, I feel I must apologize for my country's braindead boorish behavior and therefore offer any sort of recompense you feel is necessary. Our President's dead ferret toupee on a burning pike perhaps?tongue

edited 28th Feb '17 3:14:36 PM by kkhohoho

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#176450: Feb 28th 2017 at 3:17:30 PM

[up][up] There's Greenland, but there's not much there but ice.


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