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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#176326: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:53:11 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Those reveals actually hurt the Religious Right at the voting stations? That's news to me.

[up][up][up]I think it works on paper, although stronger narrative control will probably be needed. Which probably won't work out that well courtesy of the Sanders cult poisoning the well.

edited 27th Feb '17 3:54:37 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176327: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:03:53 PM

Ambar is right in that the Daily Kos is seriously left-skewed and Huffington Post is uneven in quality at best. I'm not saying they aren't reporting factual things but that skew is reflected in how they present them, with a lot of opinionating, and if you're going to look to them as sources you have to be critical about it.

Washington Post has some left leanings but I can't speak toward their so-called anti-Clinton bias. They get a lot of credit for being one of the first to sound the alarm bells about Donald though.

edited 27th Feb '17 4:11:12 PM by Elle

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#176328: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:07:22 PM

US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rejects Justice Departments request to hold the appeal of Trump's Travel Ban EO. The Justice Department will now have to file a legal briefing to defend the EO by the end of this week.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#176330: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:20:20 PM

[up][up]So what does that mean exactly?

i'm tired, my friend
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#176331: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:21:25 PM

[up][up][up][up] That's the Washington Times, not the Post. They're not the same paper.

edited 27th Feb '17 4:21:48 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Arkasas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176332: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:22:08 PM

To clarify: the paper at hand is the Washington Times, which is a right-wing paper established and owned by the Unification Church, not the Post, which is indeed liberal-leaning and actually reliable/important/a good source.

EDIT: [nja]

edited 27th Feb '17 4:22:23 PM by Arkasas

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176333: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:22:51 PM

So let me get this straight: all centrist Democrats are tarred with the brush of corruption apropos of nothing, but we must not put all the people who voted for the neofascist into a single box? Really?

I didn't say all. I said most.

Politicians are well aware of what they're doing. Many Trump supporters aren't.

Oh and if you want to fight "coroporatocracy" you'll want to start with dealing with the Trump fanboys since they're the ones openly advocating for it.

Well sure, but I don't see any Trump fanboys around here to argue against.

I always vote Democrat, participate and help fund the party.

As a sidenote, your precious "progressive" bloc is hardly clean. Under the logic you espouse here, Sanders is a bought and paid for stooge of the NRA, as we discussed during the election.

I know which is why I liked Hillary's platform for guns better than his. She was aggressive on guns and he wasn't because he was paid not to be.

The Daily Kos is the definition of fringe left wing writing.

You'd have to define what fringe left wing means because they're just normal left wing to my sensibilities. You'd also have to prove to me why that's a bad thing.

The Huffington Post isn't as bad, but is still not exactly a reputable journal, and I say that as someone who reads it everyday (take a look at their coverage of GM Os, advertising for "holistic medicine" etc).

Well it's a good thing I don't follow their articles on health.

Look if you want to know who someone is partially owned by just follow the money.

We have a political climate where it's hard for politicians to succeed without money so they have to compromise themselves in order to receive money.

edited 27th Feb '17 4:24:42 PM by MadSkillz

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#176334: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:36:26 PM

Apparently white French people are also considered dangerous to the nation's security.

Then again, they're sun-kissed Catholics who let their women sub-bathe topless and drop nude on TV. Can't let them come threatening our values can we?sad

NYT: French Historian Says He Was Threatened With Deportation at Houston Airport

Henry Rousso, a French historian and one of the most pre-eminent scholars on the Holocaust, said he was detained for more than 10 hours by federal border agents in Houston and told he would not be allowed to enter the United States before lawyers intervened to stop his deportation.

Mr. Rousso said in a telephone interview on Sunday that he arrived at the George Bush Intercontinental Airport around 2 p.m. Wednesday on a flight from France when immigration authorities began to question his visa and his reason for being in the United States.

Mr. Rousso, an expert on France after the First World War, was scheduled to give a keynote address on Friday afternoon at a conference organized by the Hagler Institute for Advanced Study at Texas A&M University in College Station.

“It would be in no means difficult to look up who he is,” said Jason Mills, an immigration lawyer who helped secure Mr. Rousso’s eventual release. “His reasons for being here were nothing but beneficial to the United States. He is a man of experience and age,” Mr. Mills said. “There is plenty of history there on him. I don’t understand why he would have been in for the several hours that he was. It is a little alarming.”

Mr. Rousso said he was interrogated by Customs and Border Protection officers who told him that he was violating immigration law by using a tourist visa to enter the country to attend the academic conference. He said that at first they denied him entry to the United States, and told him he would be put on the next available flight to Paris.

The academics who had invited Mr. Rousso to speak in Texas became concerned when he failed to meet the driver who had been sent to collect him. They scrambled to alert immigration lawyers, the dean of the law school and Michael Young, the president of Texas A&M University.

The issue, Mr. Rousso said, appeared to be an honorarium of $2,000 that he was being paid to participate in the conference. Such payments are allowed for academics visiting the United States, but Mr. Rousso and those involved in securing his release said the customs agents appeared not to realize that at first.

“With a tourist visa, I’m not allowed to work,” Mr. Rousso said. “This is true — except for scholars.”

The agent who was questioning Mr. Rousso was “concerned that he was giving a lecture and was getting a good stipend to do that,” said Richard J. Golsan, a professor at the university who also had planned to have Mr. Rousso speak to his class last week.

Customs and Border Protection did not respond to a telephone message or email requests for comment on Sunday.

Mr. Mills, an immigration lawyer in Fort Worth, said he received a call from the dean of the law school around 9 p.m. Wednesday. “They were in a bit of a panic,” Mr. Mills said.

He set to work contacting immigration authorities at the Houston airport.

It was after 1 a.m. Thursday when Mr. Rousso was given back his passport and cellphone, taken to a public area of the airport and told he was free to go. He said he was told that the agent who originally held him was “inexperienced.”

He took a taxi to an airport hotel, where he was able to telephone Mr. Golsan, and to continue his journey to the university.

He gave his keynote address, “Writing on the Dark Side of the Recent Past,” as planned on Friday. On Sunday morning, a few hours before he was to board a flight to Paris, Mr. Rousso, 62, said in the telephone interview that he was apprehensive about returning to the airport. He has for 30 years been a regular visitor to the United States, and was unsure when he would return, he said.

“I’m a little bit nervous,” he said. “It’s completely irrational, I know.”

Mr. Mills said the treatment Mr. Rousso experienced was unusual, but representative of a shift in how some border agents are approaching their jobs.

“Now they’re looking really hard for reasons to deny, instead of reasons to admit,” he said.

Mr. Rousso and those who helped him said he was lucky to have been able to reach out to leaders at the university.

“If I had not the possibility to call my friend and then to be in touch with the president, probably I would have been in Paris now after a bit of blurry, strange experience,” he said.

In France, where Mr. Rousso is a well-respected academic, his treatment was met with anger.

Emmanuel Macron, a centrist candidate for France’s presidency, condemned the episode on Sunday on Twitter, saying there was “no excuse” for what happened to Mr. Rousso.

Fatma E. Marouf, a law professor and the director of the Immigrant Rights Clinic in Fort Worth, who helped secure Mr. Rousso’s release, said he benefited from the lessons that immigration lawyers learned in January, after an executive order from President Trump led to chaos at the nation’s borders. “During the airport detentions, we had created a really good rapid-response team of attorneys in Houston and where I am in Dallas-Fort Worth,” she said. “There was already a good team in place.”

Since Mr. Trump took office in January, immigration authorities have engaged in several high-profile actions against immigrants. Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, said on Tuesday that the president wanted to “take the shackles off” of agents who had, under President Barack Obama, been under orders to focus only on serious criminals.

Apparently giving a "paid speech" as a professor will warrant your deportation nowadays.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#176335: Feb 27th 2017 at 4:56:25 PM

Just saw this on my news feed, but without knowing where the National Review figures in terms of bias (though it seems conservative) and my own ignorance on the topic in general, I'm not sure how legit the claims are. Thus, I submit to my more learnéd tropers here to get an idea, an article I found claiming that the Affordable Care Act has not in fact saved lives as its defenders assert, but if I have the gist right, is correlation without causation.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445260/obamacare-no-lives-saved

EDIT: Braving the comments, there's a suggestion the article misrepresents one of its own cited sources.

edited 27th Feb '17 5:00:13 PM by sgamer82

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176336: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:01:31 PM

From my Twitter feed:

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#176337: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:02:18 PM

[up][up]Right wing rag with a thin veneer of respectability-that is, actually taking the time to use dogwhistles in an age of bold declaratives. In the future, a couple minutes looking at the ads the site runs is usually a good indicator.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#176338: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:03:56 PM

[up] I got the impression looking at some of the other articles, actually. To be honest I tune out most ads automatically so looking at them would probably never have occurred to me. That said, was my first encounter with the Review so figure better to ask unnecessarily than vice versa.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#176339: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:03:58 PM

Look if you want to know who someone is partially owned by just follow the money.
You still have yet to actually justify this with any sort of argument. You're taking it as given that anyone who donates to a politician automatically has that politician in their pocket. This discounts the idea that they donate to that politician because they like the policy positions that said politician already espouses, or that the politician happily accepts their money, promises to take their concerns under consideration, and then does whatever the hell they want anyway.

If you want to accuse a politician of something, use their stated policy positions and their voting record to back up that assertion, or you're just trying to tarnish them by association.

Of course, you haven't really responded to anything else I've said in the last ten pages or so, so I don't expect you to start now.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#176340: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:05:16 PM

Trump was right about Sweden

Stopped reading right there.

[up]Just imagine the amount of butthurt and aneurysms if Soros donated money to Breibart, Fox News and Daily Stormer would cause.

edited 27th Feb '17 5:06:53 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#176341: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:12:51 PM

Washington Post has some left leanings but I can't speak toward their so-called anti-Clinton bias. They get a lot of credit for being one of the first to sound the alarm bells about Donald though.

The Washington Times, not the Washington Post. The latter is one of the best papers in the country and does an excellent job of controlling its biases. The former is a right-wing paper that approaches being FOX News in written format and should only be purchased if you're short on toilet paper.

Politicians are well aware of what they're doing. Many Trump supporters aren't.

What a load of garbage that is. This wasn't dogwhistle racism, it was flatout racism. They all saw it, they all knew what it was, they all went for it anyway.

I didn't say all. I said most.

Prove it. Not even those nonsense articles you've been posting actually back your statement up.

You'd have to define what fringe left wing means because they're just normal left wing to my sensibilities. You'd also have to prove to me why that's a bad thing.

The problem with it being fringe is the problem with all fringe media outlets—they're driven by ideology, not responsible journalsim. They do barely any of their own interviewing and they twist whatever's been said to support a preexisting view of the world. Same as FOX, same as Infowars, etc.

Well it's a good thing I don't follow their articles on health.

Har har. The point is that the Huffington Post is a wildly uneven news source. About half their articles are great. The other half are trash.

We have a political climate where it's hard for politicians to succeed without money so they have to compromise themselves in order to receive money.

Prove. It. And while you're at it, maybe respond to Jovian, who has repeatedly addressed some of the points you've raised only to be ignored.

edited 27th Feb '17 5:19:50 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#176342: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:14:34 PM

If you're remotely informed about national defense, reading the National Review will make you burst out in inappropriate laughter or give you an aneurysm.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#176343: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:15:55 PM

[up][up][up]Isn't one of Trump's cabinet appointees a former Soros employee?

edited 27th Feb '17 5:16:18 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#176344: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:19:22 PM

[up]Yes and /pol/ lost its shit because of it for a few days, because the prospect of Trump being (((Trump))).

Inter arma enim silent leges
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#176345: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:19:40 PM

I figured as much after I looked around a bit (re: Review). As a rule, I always try to be wary of my news sources since I now the amount of bias can vary wildly. While it's perhaps a bit Golden Mean Fallacy of me, I tend to stick to Politico or Reuters or AP for basic stuff. Maybe get something local to the news being reported if I can, especially if it's cited as the bigger site's source.

One thing I have thought about, though, is finding solid conservative news sources to see which ones, if any, are actively calling Trump out for his fusterclucks.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#176346: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:21:24 PM

Politico and Reuters are good sources afaik so I don't view that as a bad thing.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#176347: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:31:46 PM

[up]x13 That's a nice way to treat the people who gave you your independence, the Statue of Liberty and Louisiana...

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176348: Feb 27th 2017 at 5:39:17 PM

[up][up][up]I think the closest you're going to find to accurate on the conservative side of things is libertarian sites. Business-oriented publications like Forbes, WSJ and The Economist have a right-lean but only about to the degree that other mainstream news has a left lean.

Also, I've mentioned it before but when I actually want to look for left-slanted think pieces, I like Vox.

edited 27th Feb '17 5:39:28 PM by Elle

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176349: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:45:42 PM

What a load of garbage that is. This wasn't dogwhistle racism, it was flatout racism. They all saw it, they all knew what it was, they all went for it anyway.

We're very aware of racism. Many people aren't.

My family is Hispanic many of them were illegal immigrants at one point. Most of them voted for Trump because they didn't have any issue with his comments on illegal immigrants from Mexico. They don't even see it as racially charged just an example of good business sense.

1/3 of Hispanic voters voted for Trump. He got more Hispanics to vote for him than Romney. Many Hispanics don't get that they're being targeted by Republican politicians just like many poor whites don't understand that Republcians are waging a war on the poor.

You seem to not realize how many low information voters there are.

Prove it. Not even those nonsense articles you've been posting actually back your statement up.

Well tell me what makes them nonsense?

The problem with it being fringe is the problem with all fringe media outlets—they're driven by ideology, not responsible journalsim. They do barely any of their own interviewing and they twist whatever's been said to support a preexisting view of the world. Same as FOX, same as Infowars, etc.

You don't think there's an ideology behind corporate media?

Har har. The point is that the Huffington Post is a wildly uneven news source. About half their articles are great. The other half are trash.

Alright so why is that article one of the trashy ones and not one of the great ones?

Prove. It. And while you're at it, maybe respond to Jovian, who has repeatedly addressed some of the points you've raised only to be ignored.

Prove what? That our politicians are paying more attention to the wealthy than their constituents? That the wealthy have an enormous amount of political influence?

I thought this was self-evident and widely accepted by now.

I'll get to Jovian in a second.

TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#176350: Feb 27th 2017 at 6:57:49 PM

@sgamer82 if you want to know the biases of news sources, you can refer to http://mediabiasfactcheck.com/.

edited 27th Feb '17 6:59:37 PM by TVRulezAgain


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