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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#176301: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:41:29 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/monday-pro-trump-rallies-a-massive-flop-as-event-photos-show-tiny-crowds/

Monday pro-Trump rallies a massive flop as event photos show tiny crowds

That shows how much steam Trump supporters actually have without the man himself. Without him in an area, the turn out of Trump supporters is half of what it would be with him at best. It also suggests that a lot of people who were at Trump rallies in any area he is in are simply tag-along's from out of state, like a Band or a famous Speaker or even freakin' McRibs!

It also hopefully starts showing that Independents are losing patience with Trump and his ilk and are waiting for him to do something for them, not just talk about it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#176302: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:44:58 PM

You know, I wonder if Utah's homebuilding program was done for political reasons: In 2010 they thought they would receive an extra congressional district but didn't. Perhaps they figured that the census process may undercount homeless people and build homes for them so that they become visible for the next census.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#176303: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:45:20 PM

I'm actually pretty interested to see just how much more thin Trump's support is gonna get over time. He's not doing especially great now considering he only just got into office, and I don't think he can really offer the white working class or anyone other than plutocrats anything that isn't scraps off the table or meaningless symbolic gestures at best like the Carrier deal. The hardcore Republican base might stand by him but they can't win elections by themselves.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176304: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:45:22 PM

@Madsillz: Do you have a plan for doing that which does not rely on winning some elections?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#176305: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:48:32 PM

More on that Today interview of W: Bush stopped short of directly calling out Trump but he was way more direct on the issues than when anyone asked him about Obama (NPR)

The interview itself

Also, the reason for the interview is that he's been doing some pretty good work with military vets. It won't get me saying he was a terribly good President but I can give him credit for trying to be a good human.

edited 27th Feb '17 1:52:22 PM by Elle

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#176306: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:49:03 PM

[up][up][up][up] That might be part of the reason, but the Mormons actually have a really good track record with dealing with homeless people. They take the charity part of their religion seriously.

[up][up][up] Even the Carrier deal failed to gain him much support, considering how Carrier used the extra money to further automate the factory and fire a bunch of their employees.

edited 27th Feb '17 1:49:12 PM by Zendervai

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#176307: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:49:17 PM

A lot of them will say "Because they are working and not on welfare" But they don't want to accept Tinyfinger is unpopular.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176308: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:52:39 PM

Start a mass campaign to get I Ds for the pooris one way.

Also work on increasing polling stations within urban areas.

If I wanted to be dirty, I'd also get Californians to immigrate to more purple states like Florida, Arizona,Virginia, New Hampshire and the Rust Belt states.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#176309: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:55:04 PM

I know Dubya's statements are relatively mild and he wasn't exactly winning any awards for his presidency but it's good that he's showing his support for an independent press and saying the russian question needs an answer.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#176310: Feb 27th 2017 at 1:55:35 PM

Or fix California's housing crisis. Extra housing is good for the size of the congressional delegation.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176311: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:00:36 PM

Because the House of Representatives has been capped at 435, it's lead to big growth only netting a couple electoral votes max per decade so it wouldn't do much.

A carpetbagger strategy would work better. Now the downside is that an emigration influx of Californians especially from urban areas to other states could lead to Republicans becoming more competitive in California.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#176312: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:01:26 PM

Trump is making me miss Bush, so far the only thing making him slightly less worse that Bush is that Trump hasn't started a War for Fun and Profit yet.

Inter arma enim silent leges
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#176313: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:04:31 PM

It does not matter whether there is a cap or not. Share of the total is important not the absolute number. Sides you need to fix the housing problem anyway. Specially if The Water Knife becomes Truth in Television.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176314: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:09:05 PM

[up] Share of the total is connected to the absolute number and it isn't going to go up much naturally and for California it's predicted to stay the same or even go down.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#176315: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:12:31 PM

Because of the housing crisis, yes. The going down part is questionable math given the population growth percentages.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#176316: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:16:25 PM

If nothing else we should at least call old people who up to town hall babies and say with pride when we win another election "Republicans maybe you can have another shot when you grow up".

edited 27th Feb '17 2:17:03 PM by Wildcard

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#176317: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:29:46 PM

@Angelus: Well, at this point in his presidency, neither had Dubya. So don't worry, there's plenty of time for things to get worse.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#176318: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:31:05 PM

Sean Spicer, in an effort to fight Government leaks, checks every staffers Phones in an emergency meeting; this then gets leaked.

It's so obvious now, wild mass guessSean Spicer is the leaker! (/s)

edited 27th Feb '17 2:31:46 PM by DingoWalley1

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#176319: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:47:11 PM

[up][up][up]Well, those are our fellow nationals, and we're theoretically all together trying to build a better place for ourselves and our progeny and those from abroad who would join us in good faith.
I suspect they'd genuinely miss the hypocrisy of their position, given the number of commenters projecting racism and despotism upon the democrats.

If it's not too belittling, I'd look at our task as more psychiatry (restoring reality) than penal (revenge). Everything should be on the table from a S.Africa-style "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" to offering financial and other support to Republicans shown willing to combat tea partiers and other reactionaries and restore the party to, if not Lincoln, then, at least Ike. (It's either that or cower and fear for our futures every election cycle).
Then get on with finishing Reconstruction.

edited 27th Feb '17 2:48:30 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#176320: Feb 27th 2017 at 2:54:16 PM

Angelus: yeah, I remenber my youth and how I loathed Bush and is idiocy and now I feel more warn about him, I have to actually shake that feel because is just Trump awfullness having that efect on my

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#176321: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:00:24 PM

The War for Fun and Profit is coming. It'll probably be Iran this time, because lighting the Middle East on fire is the only place SCROTUS won't run afoul of a nuclear arsenal.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#176322: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:00:25 PM

[up][up][up]To do that, you'd have to assume good faith from Republicans. Something they haven't had since at least Reagan and his lies about [strikeout]inner city black people[/strikeout] "welfare queens".

The best way to do that is expose them for what they are, just like what was done to the religious right in the last 30 years Showing that many homophobic senators cheated on their wives and being gay while advocating torturing the gay away camps certainly made it easier to prove what hypocritical scumbags they really were. Unfortunately I think the only thing that could do that now is to get around the press ban and make his supporters see...Trump's wife asking him to do something, him saying "Yes honey" and doing it.

Not to mention, they won't compromise again. They spent 8 years trying to stop Obama at everything and even shut down the government when things didn't go there way. They need to be replaced.

edited 27th Feb '17 3:05:40 PM by Wildcard

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#176323: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:38:24 PM

What do you people think about this? Short version: the key to convincing the WWC without selling out minorities is to making narratives that highlight the commonalities between all groups.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176324: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:50:41 PM

Yeah that seems pretty accurate to me.

Democrats have an image problem. Because right now Democrats are seen as the party for the elites, globalists, cultural marxists and the lazy poor looking for handouts.

Whereas Republicans have successfully co-opted the image of the party of patriotism, manliness, anti-establishment bitterness, the middle class, the working class and family values.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#176325: Feb 27th 2017 at 3:51:41 PM

I say this not because of tribalistic conviction but because they're the ones most likely to perpetuate the system that allows the US to run as a corporatocracy.

I don't think we should generalize all the Trump supporters into a group. The group who this way is certainly large and I think this a good characterization of the alt right but I'm going to go with Jon Stewart on this

So let me get this straight: all centrist Democrats are tarred with the brush of corruption apropos of nothing, but we must not put all the people who voted for the neofascist into a single box? Really?

Oh and if you want to fight "coroporatocracy" you'll want to start with dealing with the Trump fanboys since they're the ones openly advocating for it.

As a sidenote, your precious "progressive" bloc is hardly clean. Under the logic you espouse here, Sanders is a bought and paid for stooge of the NRA, as we discussed during the election.

The proof is in the article. Even if they are biased against her, they still backed up their argument with evidence.

I suppose that if this were the 90s you'd tell me all about how they "proved" Whitewater too, huh?

And why is that a bad thing? I also quoted Huffington post.

The Daily Kos is the definition of fringe left wing writing. The Huffington Post isn't as bad, but is still not exactly a reputable journal, and I say that as someone who reads it everyday (take a look at their coverage of GMOs, advertising for "holistic medicine" etc).

As for Chris Hedges, the guy was at one point an absolutely brilliant journalist. His book critiquing the religious right was great, as were his debate takedowns of Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. In recent years, however, he's pretty much gone off the rails, and it's a damn shame.


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