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Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#176002: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:27:28 PM

Do overly sensitive, my-very-specific-demands-or-screw-you Bernie or Bust types actually represent a significant voting block, or are they a very vocal minority? That's really going to determine how seriously I take all of this.

In any case, I get the feeling they're the leftists with the least amount to lose during an 8 year Trump presidency - so, not likely to be seriously hurt by an ACA repeal or killed in a hate crime...

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176003: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:35:29 PM

538 says that Georgia's upcoming special election is important because it's exactly the kind of district the Dems need to flip if they want to regain control of Congress- a traditionally Republican leaning district full of college educated white people who don't really like Trump.

My takeaway is that they're in trouble if they can't win there.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176004: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:50:03 PM

Do overly sensitive, my-very-specific-demands-or-screw-you Bernie or Bust types actually represent a significant voting block, or are they a very vocal minority? That's really going to determine how seriously I take all of this. In any case, I get the feeling they're the leftists with the least amount to lose during an 8 year Trump presidency - so, not likely to be seriously hurt by an ACA repeal or killed in a hate crime...

If you're talking about the Sanders wing, I'd say they're a more significant voting bloc than the alt right is for Republicans.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#176005: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:53:07 PM

Labor in the UK has been tearing itself apart since Brexit..

Incorrect. Labour has been tearing itself apart ever since the party leadership election campaign when it first became clear that Corbyn had unexpectedly become a serious candidate for leader. The second he was announced as leader, party unity collapsed and then began to get progressively worse.

This should be a lesson for people who think Ellison's appointment would automatically solve the rift in the party. There's actually a possibility that the rift could have worsened, not improved.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176006: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:55:57 PM

Well there were people on the establishment side that were trying to paint Ellison as an anti-Semite and people were threatening to leave the Democrat party if he was elected.

And they called him a fat left candidate. Smh

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#176007: Feb 25th 2017 at 7:56:30 PM

[up][up][up][up]Handel is also seen as "an uneducated religious fanatic" even by GA standards, and every comment I've seen has been of criticizing her past career. And yet she's the Republican frontrunner.
I would rather not lose here. How did you discover that flippable site?

edited 25th Feb '17 7:57:11 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#176008: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:01:11 PM

@Mad Skillz- Observation- You keep calling the Democratic Party the "Democrat Party", which is a contemptuous usage thought up by Republicans.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#176009: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:02:44 PM

Is it really? Is there some sort of semantic nuance here I'm missing, because as a slur it doesn't seem to be particularly meaningful.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#176010: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:03:11 PM

@Wyldchyld: Unlike Corbyn Ellison had very broad support from major figures in both the more centrist wing of the party and the left wing of the party; this rift was going to be a problem with or without him in charge, but we're already off to a rather tepid start in terms of party unity, especially if the party brass sideline Ellison in his new role and assume Trump's extreme unpopularity will ensure major gains in 2018.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:04:37 PM by CaptainCapsase

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#176011: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:03:43 PM

Way back in 2016, along with The Sixty-Five, which has a bunch of telephone numbers. My last couple of weeks was spent calling the members of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security about getting Bannon off the NSC.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#176013: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:06:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]It's just a disrespectful diminutive, like shortening someone's name.

[up][up] Thanks

edited 25th Feb '17 8:14:39 PM by CenturyEye

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#176014: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:11:26 PM

@Mad Skillz- Observation- You keep calling the Democratic Party the "Democrat Party", which is a contemptuous usage thought up by Republicans.

I didn't know that. I guess I picked it up from my Republican father.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#176015: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:13:29 PM

[up] Yeah, same here. I've been working on fixing that habit.

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#176016: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:13:29 PM

I don't understand why Trump isn't willing to go to the White House Correspondent's Dinner since he's already been roasted by Comedy Central. Unless he's just that afraid of the press.

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#176017: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:14:18 PM

[up] Because he's a fragile orange snowflake who needs a safe space.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#176018: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:15:48 PM

Trump knows the press isn't going to stick to lighthearted jabs. They're going to get as nasty as possible. He probably thinks it will just make him look foolish. There was a fundraiser a week or two before the election where Hillary roasted him pretty good.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:16:38 PM by Kostya

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#176019: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:20:37 PM

@Wyldchyld: Unlike Corbyn Ellison had very broad support from major figures in both the more centrist wing of the party and the left wing of the party;

Corbyn has more support in the centre and left of the party than the media keeps portraying. It's the centre-'right' wing of the party (the 'Blairite' wing, and note the inverted commas - the 'right' of the Labour Party isn't 'right' by Tory standards.. although that's a discussion best left for the British politics thread) that's the problem — they've the wing with the money and the wing that's been in control of the party until Corbyn, which puts them in a very strong position but it would a (semi) equivalent to the 'Obama wing'.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:22:39 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#176020: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:21:03 PM

It saddens me how little that surprises me. sad

Do not obey in advance.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#176021: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:25:41 PM

We throwing tantrums over Perez winning? All we need now is that guy who finally started to get thumped, then we'll have a real party.

Seriously, the chair and deputy chair are friends, will be working together, and agree on the issues. Or did someone try to forget that a 50 state strategy would inevitably result in support for the campaigns of the Blue Dogs and "neoliberals" (should I add triple parentheses for this?) you despise so much?

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#176022: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:26:22 PM

I'll second everything Jovian said about the Sanders crazies who frankly are, at this point, a massive disservice to the man whose name they appropriate. Their entire schtick relies on not being in power and whenever someone they support does get elected, they immediately brand them a sellout. Had Ellison won they'd have been happy for a week, then started calling him a sellout when he, gasp, gave money to Manchin or another "Blue Dog".

Oh, and since it came up again that "Perez is supported by a Jewish guy who doesn't like Muslims" (and why his being Jewish was mentioned at all I must question) I will remind you that one of Ellison's major cheerleaders was TYT, an organization headed by a (Turkish) genocide denier and named for the guys who carried it out. Should that colour our opinion of Ellison?

Perez and Ellison are friends and colleagues who plan to work together. If you can't handle that you've got problems. And if you look at Perez's record and denounce him as anything other than progressive, you're officially spouting off buzzwords with no concept of what they mean.

edited 25th Feb '17 8:31:13 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#176023: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:26:23 PM

@Beary Scary: I've been waiting for an announcement on the Dinner, so I'm not surprised he's not going. He really doesn't handle situations like that well (where he's expected to take ribbing with good grace).

Looks like someone else was in charge of his Twitter account for the tweet he put out (wishing the Dinner all the best), given how sensible it is.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#176024: Feb 25th 2017 at 8:33:45 PM

Cenk Uygur's rant on Perez being elected was infuriating. He literally, LITERALLY said that because Perez worked with unions that doesn't make him a Progressive and he's just going to work for the Corporations.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)

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