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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
So, Trump saw a BS report on Fox about Sweden, used it as a point in his 'Rally', then blamed Fox for his guffaw, and now Fox is trying to pour more BS about Sweden to make Trump look good?
And I thought Fox had some integrity left. Yeah, Shepherd Smith and Chris Wallace do, but apparently the network as a whole does not...
Just for the record, the Nazis were rounding up Jews, etc as early as the mid 1930s but the death camps were a long way off. IIRC it progressed from registration to ghettos then labor camps then the death caps in the 1940s.
However, America is culpable in that they refused to take in Jewish refugees and also thought Japanese internment was a good idea.
On the whole though, the whole Western world did not catch on to how much bad news the Axis would be till they started invading shit and even then they tried appeasement first. We have the benefit of hindsight, both looking at then and looking at now, and knowing someone who rises to power in these circumstances with these qualities is bad news..
And what exactly does disturbed mean in this context? Not to mention that I'm not sure how any thing you are saying relates back to your original claim that America started flirting with fascism under FDR.
And what, pray tell, were they supposed to do? Churchill didn't even hold a position of power until 1940 it took him so long to walk back from his WWI disgrace. And FDR was a little busy with internal American politics to do anything.
They knew he'd written crazy stuff in a book published ten years earlier while he was in jail. But what were they supposed to do about it?
No, we're talking about Bannon because Bannon is the single most influential voice in the White House right now, bar none. The undermining of NATO and the EU and the buddying up to Russia is entirely in character for Bannon, the alt-right, and the Breitbart brand.
Correct, with the worst of the mass killing starting after it became pretty clear that they weren't going to be able to conquer the USSR and ship the Jews there. Hitler knew from the start he wanted the Jews out, but went through repeated different ideas about what the way to get rid of them was going to be, starting with sending them to Madagascar, then turning into asking Stalin to take them when they were allies, then creating a giant open air ghetto on the wreckage of the USSR, and then finally settling on mass murder when the last of those options went belly up.
edited 24th Feb '17 6:54:32 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Federal agents move woman awaiting emergency surgery at Texas hospital to detention site
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Anyone else feeling ill after reading that?
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVI'm not sure what to tell you. Disturbed means disturbed. It's an emotional reaction.
Well I mean my main point was that America's been supportive of fascist regimes under Mussolini and Hitler and even after that. America has toppled democracies and propped up fascist regimes when they felt it was in their interest to do so.
I'm not condemning them for any actions they did or did not take. I just think less of them for their opinions.
Dunno. Maybe you're right. I didn't follow the alt right movement Trump came around and I don't know if they changed opinions due to Trump or before Trump.
Wow, I did not know that.
The thing that unnerves me the most about these times is that, even though more white people voted against Trump than for him, I'm starting to see increasing numbers of the East Asian immigrants in my community fall into the temptation of writing off whites as sneering racist villains as a whole.
Which is rather ironic given that the Han ethnicity is practically to China as whites are to the US - the dominant group with advantageous cultural privileges over other minorities.
edited 24th Feb '17 7:42:15 PM by FluffyMcChicken
I think it's less seeing white people as a homogenously terrible group so much as acknowledging that a lot of them (if not the majority) are at best apathetic to their problems and don't seem to be willing to give them any sort of sympathy or understanding. The black community in particular has probably had the brunt of that for a very long time now.
It's not really about malice so much as ignorance and complacency.
The notion that Trump is somehow representing the "True face" of America is BS. He represents the worst of the US, with none of the good aspects thrown in.
Also he hasn't been voted by a majority...I think the assessment that he represents around 20% of the population is correct. And no, saying that the others which are not in this math are just children is not correct. Into this group belongs a huge number of people who aren't allowed to vote for some reason - one has to know that the Republicans have systematically removed people from the voter list in the last years, though a lot of people never had a vote in the first place - everyone who fell for the "both candidates are just as bad" narrative and therefore didn't vote and everyone who voted for a third party. And even with all those people getting taken out of the equation, Hillary got three million votes more than Trump, who won on technicalities (and because the electoral college didn't do its job, because it mostly exists as a last check to keep his type out of the White House).
There are two ways this will go: Either Trump gets removed one way or another and the Republicans will most likely be finished in the aftermath for quite a while - we most likely look at a string of Democrats in the White House in the near future - or he turns the US into a dictatorship.
Also, the longer Trump stays in office, the bigger the damage will be for the US. All those deals he just cancelled took years to craft. The US can try to isolate itself, but try as it might, it can't stop globalisation. The other countries will leave it behind, economically speaking.
So, just wanted to hit some of the highlights from that CNN article on Bannon. Know your enemy, etc.
There are apparently three "pillars" to the Trump administration's policies:
1) "I kind of break it up into three verticals of three buckets," Bannon said. "The first is kind of national security and sovereignty and that's your intelligence, the Defense Department, Homeland Security."
2) "Economic nationalism- Multilateral relationships are bad, bilateral relationships are good.": "I think one of the most pivotal moments in modern American history was (Trump's) immediate withdraw from (Trans-Pacific Partnership). That got us out of a trade deal and let our sovereignty come back to ourselves, the people. The mainstream media don't get this, but we're already working in consultation with the Hill. People are starting to think through a whole raft of amazing and innovative, bilateral relationships — bilateral trading relationships with people that will reposition America in the world as a fair trading nation and start to bring jobs. High value added, manufacturing jobs, back to the United States of America."
3) 'They're going to 'deconstruct' the current regulatory system' : "Every business leader we've had in is saying not just taxes, but it is also the regulation. I think the consistent, if you look at these Cabinet appointees, they were selected for a reason, and that is the deconstruction. The way the progressive left runs is, if they can't get it passed, they're just going to put in some sort of regulation in an agency. That's all going to be deconstructed and I think that that's why this regulatory thing is so important."
4) The media is the 'opposition party,' and 'it's only going to get worse': ""They're corporatist, globalist media that are adamantly opposed to an economic nationalist agenda like Donald Trump has," he said. "Here's why it's going to get worse: Because he's going to continue to press his agenda. And as economic conditions get better, as more jobs get better, they're going to continue to fight."
5) The US will experience a new political order: ""I've said that there's a new political order that's being formed out of this," Bannon said "... But I think we (agree on) the center core of what we believe, that we're a nation with an economy. Not an economy just in some global marketplace with open borders, but we are a nation with a culture and a reason for being."
So Bannon is clearly cut from the same cloth as the old neo-cons (even thought his specific ideology is somewhat different)- a nut with a lot of big ideas and access to the president.
Fortunately, I think he will end up as his own worst enemy. The only question is how much damage he will do before he discredits himself.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Exactly how will Bannon be his own worst enemy? You think he's going to explode in a violent temper at some point? (His reported history would seem to make this a possibility)
Frankly, at this point, I think we're stuck with all of them for four years, with maybe the occasional scandal to oust one and give us a chance to get someone sane in position.
Ehh guys did the fact that CNN, the BBC, The New York Times, the LA Times, the New York Daily News, Buzz Feed, The Hill, and the Daily Mail were all banned from a press briefing today slip under the radar here?
The AP and Time boycotted and the Wall Street Journal would have boycotted if they'd realised and have promised to do so in the future.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWell 75 million of Americans are children. There are 325 million Americans. 200 million are registered so we have 50 million people that aren't. Doing the math it comes out to 25 % of all Americans voted for Trump.
I guess it's hard to say how many didn't vote because of voter suppression tactics, apathy or by disqualifications. But I doubt that Republicans can erase tens of million of votes so there are still tens of millions of people that didn't bother to vote.
It was an off camera goggle briefing from what I get, but it was still a briefing and they were banned from it under presidential order.
So yeah any media outlet that pushes to hard against Trump (by say reporting on his Russia ties or getting sued by his daughter (she's suing the Daily Mail)) will be denied press access.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranCan't say I'll be sad to see the Daily Mail disappear if they manage to sue them into a oblivion.
But hoo boy, I am seriously not surprised by this move of his. Exactly how does this lack of access hurt news media and how long do you think he'll keep this up? Because as much as he lambasts the news outlets he seems to also crave their attention. Even if he refuses to answer questions, he wants the camera on him.
This also leads into questions about the press people that Spicer interacts with.
He can still get on the TV though, he'll always have organisations willing to attend the briefings and give him flattery.
So far this was just one briefing, but it's likely to become a regular thing I think.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranMeet the 16 year old Canadian girl that took down Milo.
The teen was moved to dig up footage on Yiannopoulos when she heard that he’d been invited to speak at the highest profile gathering of conservatives each year in America, the 2017 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). She defines herself as “very socially liberal,” but leans right on economics and foreign policy. Yiannopoulos, who has built his personal brand on anti-Muslim, anti-feminism, and general bigotry, exemplifies the place where she doesn’t believe the conservative movement should go.
“I see Milo as this embodiment of the awfulness you see over the past few years with the general tilt of millennial conservatism,” said the teen. “It’s diverged from this traditional conservatism so much. You’ve seen it essentially become full of awfulness and all about attacking the left and not about actual principles. It has nothing to do with conservative ideology so much as it has with opposing the leftists, SJ Ws, and so on and so forth.” Julia closely follows political news from her home in Canada, with a deep interest in American politics. She has been particularly alarmed by the recent rise of Yiannopoulos and others like him. So as soon as she heard Yiannopoulos would speak at CPAC, she was appalled.
Then an old moment popped in her head. She remembered hearing an obscure podcast, in which Yiannopoulos defended the idea of “13-year-olds” having sex with “older men,” arguing that child molestation provided a “sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship” for teenagers.
Her memory was right. She found the July 2016 clip.
She didn’t think she’d have much luck spreading the news herself with her small Twitter following, so she contacted a conservative outlet to get the story out. She figured a liberal outlet would have less credibility among CPAC followers. “You shouldn’t have to feel intimidated to stand up for what you believe in,” she said. “Hopefully they’ll realize that you can’t keep being this reactionary movement — if you can even call it that. You can’t just keep looking for enemies to attack and pointing the finger. Eventually, you have to stand up for something.”
Canada saves the world.
I think the most mind boggling about this whole plan is the notion that other countries actually want a bilateral partnership with a country which has deregulated it's companies and banks. It will hurt the German economy to loose the US market, but not so much that it is worth to jeopardize all which has been built. And the same is true for the EU in general. And without the EU market, the US looses out, too.
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And even if, he somehow can't get on TV at all, he'll always have Twitter and the Internet.
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I mean, I haven't heard of anything coming out of the most recent Press Conference. No gaffes or guffaws from Spicer. Perhaps we'll hear of them tomorrow, but considering I haven't heard anything when normally I would by now, I think that's as bad as it could get.
Now, maybe we'll get lucky and this is either a) something he does once but gets too much backlash and doesn't try it again or b) on and off again whenever Trump feels like it to whatever organizations he feels like attacking at the time. If it's permanent, then that's when we should start to worry.
edited 24th Feb '17 8:53:23 PM by DingoWalley1

So apparently Fucks News , err... Fox News made up a false "Swedish defense and national security advisor" to support Trump's bullshit point about crime in Sweden
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edited 24th Feb '17 6:29:55 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV