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#175576: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:15:58 PM

Yep. Which in turn was the dawn of prison overcrowding and I think gave rise to Prison-Industrial Complex?

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#175577: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:17:37 PM

The problem with the idea of churches being a place the law can't go is that's a pretty clear violation of the separation of Church and State, and generally as a culture thing not held quite so dearly anymore. Now, law enforcement don't like the idea of raiding churches on principle, but no one can count on that sort of thing being a deterrent all of the time. They do have legal ways around that.

Also I'm laughing at Boehner's commentary on the health care law. Holy shit, man. Thanks, Obama, for basically giving the public something that they then got attached to, and are now prepared to make toxic for politicians to touch.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:19:33 PM by AceofSpades

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#175578: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:20:25 PM

I find codeine much more fun, anyway.

Don't even fucking joke about that shit. Opiates are genuinely dangerous.

If there's a kind of drog that is genuinely diabolical, it's fucking opiates.

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#175579: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:23:34 PM

Democrats have decided to bow to their constituents. They've decided it's total war against Trump.

Rise of the Herbal Tea Party:

WASHINGTON — Reduced to their weakest state in a generation, Democratic Party leaders will gather in two cities this weekend to plot strategy and select a new national chairman with the daunting task of rebuilding the party’s depleted organization. But senior Democratic officials concede that the blueprint has already been chosen for them — by an incensed army of liberals demanding no less than total war against President Trump.

Immediately after the November election, Democrats were divided over how to handle Mr. Trump, with one camp favoring all-out confrontation and another backing a seemingly less risky approach of coaxing him to the center with offers of compromise.

Now, spurred by explosive protests and a torrent of angry phone calls and emails from constituents — and outraged themselves by Mr. Trump’s swift moves to enact a hard-line agenda — Democrats have all but cast aside any notion of conciliation with the White House. Instead, they are mimicking the Republican approach of the last eight years — the “party of no” — and wagering that brash obstruction will pay similar dividends. Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington, vice chairman of the Democratic Governors Association, said there had been a “tornado of support” for wall-to-wall resistance to Mr. Trump. Mr. Inslee, who backed a lawsuit against the president’s executive order banning refugee admissions and travel from seven majority-Muslim countries, said Democrats intended to send a stern message to Mr. Trump during a conference of governors in the nation’s capital.

“My belief is, we have to resist every way and everywhere, every time we can,” when Mr. Trump offends core American values, Mr. Inslee said. By undermining Mr. Trump across the board, he said, Democrats hope to split Republicans away from a president of their own party. Among rank-and-file Democrats, however, it is far from clear that the rhetoric of heated opposition is unwelcome. A survey published on Wednesday by the Pew Research Center found that nearly three-quarters of Democrats said they were concerned the party would not do enough to oppose Mr. Trump; only 20 percent were concerned Democrats would go too far in opposition.

A handful of liberal groups have already sprung up threatening to wage primary challenges against incumbent Democrats who they see as insufficiently militant against Mr. Trump, raising the prospect of the same internecine wars that plagued Republicans during President Barack Obama’s administration. “Part of what I think the Bernie campaign taught us, even the Trump campaign taught us, and now the resistance is teaching us, is just ditch the consultants and consult with your conscience and constituents first,” said Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii, warning his fellow Democrats that “it’s a fool’s errand to try to plan this out like it’s a traditional political operation.”

It's an NYT article.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:24:35 PM by MadSkillz

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#175580: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:28:45 PM

[up][up][up]Conversations with clergy are already privileged in evidentiary law and "in God We Trust" is printed on the coins. And practically, every candidate has to confirm he's at least token religious to get elected and the GOP half runs on the religious right. Coming out as an atheist is probably a path to certain defeat, even today.
So, it's not laicite, more "don't get caught" and have (im)plausible deniability if you do.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:29:32 PM by CenturyEye

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#175581: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:34:55 PM

[up][up]Well, they haven't gone full Tea Party, at least not yet. They seem to be focused on economic justice and civil rights, not usual far-left nuttery (hard atheism, protectionism, isolationism/"anti-imperialism", and other revolutionary horsecrap).

Its probably too much to hope that they stay angry but don't radicalize, is it?

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#175583: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:37:50 PM

I wouldn't consider it such, no, considering their focus is human rights and liberty. As in human rights for everyone, and not attempting to continue legalizing the right to discriminate or persecute others for being different.

The goals are fundamentally different, in this case.

Plus, if this ends up being as widespread as it's starting out, it'll be pretty impossible for the whole thing to radicalize.

edited 23rd Feb '17 3:38:27 PM by AceofSpades

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#175584: Feb 23rd 2017 at 3:52:46 PM

The groups I belong to consist of too many elderly progressives, with too much history behind them, to become more radicalized than they already are. We're angry, but not enraged.

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#175585: Feb 23rd 2017 at 4:00:07 PM

The term we new progressives call ourselves by is "Indivisible", by the way.

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#175586: Feb 23rd 2017 at 4:11:13 PM

The mayor not declaring his town a sanctuary doesn't necessarily imply any hypocrisy. Atlanta isn't a sanctuary either, because it's illegal under state law, and, even if it wasn't, Atlanta is not as powerful as say, NYC or LA and can't afford the retaliation by the state.

“My belief is, we have to resist every way and everywhere, every time we can,” when Mr. Trump offends core American values...A handful of liberal groups have already sprung up threatening to wage primary challenges against incumbent Democrats who they see as insufficiently militant against Mr. Trump, raising the prospect of the same internecine wars that plagued Republicans during President Barack Obama’s administration. “Part of what I think the Bernie campaign taught us, even the Trump campaign taught us, and now the resistance is teaching us, is just ditch the consultants and consult with your conscience and constituents first,” said Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii, warning his fellow Democrats that “it’s a fool’s errand to try to plan this out like it’s a traditional political operation.”
I don't know if I'm so opposed to the rise of a leftist mass movement. If casting Trump as hostis humani generis gets Dems to the polls in 2018 and every point up to and after, so be it. We've already learned what happens when the perfect becomes the enemy of the good. And if the occasionally good bill gets passed up along the way, there's no perfect strategy, and mass movements are sustained by emotion not logic.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#175587: Feb 23rd 2017 at 4:33:56 PM

Gabby Giffords calls the GOP out for ducking town halls

Reminder: She was almost fataly shot at a town-hall style event, as was her aide who ended up suceeding her congressional seat. (They're Arizona democrats)

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#175588: Feb 23rd 2017 at 4:50:00 PM

[up][up] Mass popular mobilization is pretty much the only thing that's going to be able to stop Trump and the GOP, and for that matter the democrats from trying to go back to business as usual without any substantial policy changes away from the neoliberal economic paradigm that's been in place since the 80s.

Elected officials getting carried away on the other hand poses a risk of a feedback loop of "constitutional hardball" that spirals out of control.

edited 23rd Feb '17 4:50:57 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#175589: Feb 23rd 2017 at 4:55:19 PM

My Japanese friends refuse to visit NYC because of their fears about travelling to the US.

Let me repeat: they don't want to come to the Melting Pot as they usually do because of Trump.

And they're not the only ones.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#175590: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:04:09 PM

Ironic, since Japan seems to be one of the few countries he likes.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#175591: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:07:57 PM

Trump liking Japan? No. One of the first hints that his economic nationalism was genuine was an article about him complaining about Japanese marketshare in the US...back in the 80s.

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#175592: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:13:19 PM

[up] Yeah, he also whined in a rally or two about Japan and their reliance on our military.

[up][up][up] Jeez. Just a little over a month into his regime and he's already endangering American jobs.

edited 23rd Feb '17 5:15:15 PM by M84

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#175593: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:14:33 PM

I don't have a truly representative sample, but a lot of (Trumpist I assume) internet commentators seem to admire Japan for being more or less homogeneous. They never mention the demographic issue though, which is only the most obvious problem.

Also, the old softball days are doomed anyway.

[down]I live in the south, and I consider it hazardous to travel outside of Atlanta and its inner suburbs. One instinctively knows to check for rebel flags too.

edited 23rd Feb '17 5:18:01 PM by CenturyEye

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#175594: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:15:45 PM

To be honest, I'd be a little bit nervous about traveling to the US and I'm a white Canadian man. Particularly when it comes to rural areas, or the South, etc. I'm also really bad at keeping my mouth shut sometimes....

So I can imagine that individuals who are far more foreign by the standards of American reactionaries would be scared of the prospect.

[up]Admiring East Asia for being homogeneous is pretty standard among white nationalists.

edited 23rd Feb '17 5:16:35 PM by Rationalinsanity

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#175595: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:21:56 PM

As a mixed race latino who's relatively white-passing, i do not want to set foot in the US until Trump and all the rotten parts of his administration have been booted out and rejected.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#175596: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:23:47 PM

The caveat there is Shinzo Abe, Japan's prime minister, has right-wing nationalist leanings. Not a Trump-level disaster but Imperial Japanese history to him is what the romantization of the Confederacy is to us.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#175597: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:24:31 PM

[up] Shit does tend to stick to other shit. Fuck right-wing nationalism.

edited 23rd Feb '17 5:24:58 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#175598: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:40:24 PM

Japan didnt criminalize denialism like germany did. The historical revisionism propagated by their ultra-nationalist right-wingers is very well known.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#175599: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:49:47 PM

[up] That white-washing is still a sore point that sours Japan's relations with the rest of East Asia to this day.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#175600: Feb 23rd 2017 at 5:50:39 PM

I am not surprised if these nationalists deny that horrifying groups or individuals like Unit 731 or Alfred Mendele existed. Or they considered their existence nessacary or right.


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