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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#175351: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:02:22 AM

I'm personally tired of consummate milquetoast centrists who basically believe in nothing.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Basically believe in nothing? What does that even mean?

Progressive policy HAS to be watered with moderate and centric 'real world practicality. Otherwise it's going to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

That's why I hated Bernie's Healthcare and College plans. The former was so hilariously impractical, even in ideal circumstances, that I couldn't take him or his other plans seriously.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#175352: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:10:34 AM

When you're talking about running a government, and you have two factions or even just one that won't budge if they don't get things exactly the way they want, it gets pretty hard to actually you know, run the government.

That isn't to say that ridiculously horrible and genuinely unacceptable things shouldn't be staunchly opposed, but people have to be careful about where they draw that line.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#175353: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:29:05 AM

That alt-right article. It really reminds me of the ending of Spec Ops The Line: You want to be something you're not, a hero.

Just listen Konrad's speech to Walker, Walker's actions and justifications are is scarily similar to the Alt-Right men on that article.

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#175354: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:41:32 AM

A lot of modern military shooters are basically right-wing power fantasies.

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#175355: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:45:07 AM

That article didn't exactly say that Jon Ossoff is in the lead. It was pointing out the results of a flawed poll trying to turn out GOP voters with creative statistics.
In essence, the fourth estate is doing its job again, at least in some sense. A day late and a dollar short but meh.

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#175356: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:46:41 AM

Progressive policy HAS to be watered with moderate and centric 'real world practicality. Otherwise it's going to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

Thing is it's not being watered down with moderate or centerist policies, it's being watered down with reactionary policies, a lot of people have a problem with that.

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#175357: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:47:00 AM

I think a lot of the backlash re: accepting Compromise has everything to do with the mental image of democrats seeming to think compromise means "Roll over and give the republicans everything they want in exchange for a token, Pyrrhic victory, then go back to our constituents and shrug apologetically"

[up]Also that

edited 22nd Feb '17 9:47:57 AM by Lanceleoghauni

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#175358: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:50:42 AM

"Progressive policy HAS to be watered with moderate and centric 'real world practicality. Otherwise it's going to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions."

If you don't draw a line in the sand somewhere, then the centrists will happily sell you down the river on account of being too risk averse. You can't be centrist anymore because nothing is sacred — education, employment, social policy, it's all vulnerable. And don't insult me, I was perfectly happy to support Hillary's center-left platform because even if it was a slow-moving and incrementalist policy, it was still rooted in progressive ideology that had its eye on a goal that I supported.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#175359: Feb 22nd 2017 at 9:51:25 AM

Trump revokes transgender bathroom guidance

Remember, he claimed to be President for all Americans.

Fuck Trump... Related, fuck Bill "That's not unreasonable" Maher.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#175360: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:00:22 AM

Bill Maher is trash.

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#175361: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:00:31 AM

I think he meant "president for all (real) Americans." *blowing dogwhistle*

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#175362: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:07:48 AM

A lot of modern military shooters are basically right-wing power fantasies.

Which kind of hit its nadir with Call of Duty: Ghosts trying to claim that every single nation in Central and South America is champing at the bit to invade America.

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#175363: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:10:38 AM

Yeah, but in that situation, South America had fallen to a populist demagogue/Great Uniter. There's also the implication that American military overreach had all but united the entire rest of the World against the US government, so there were no allies when the Commies came a knockin.

Kind of ironic how on the nose that second bit is, and how dead backwards the first.

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#175364: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:13:54 AM

I can't say I don't have some spite directed towards Russia and China trying to usurp US status as the world hegemon because with their imperialistic drives around, it is much harder to reduce the role of the US as the world sole super power when the contenders to the throne happen to be just worse.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#175365: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:14:08 AM

Where did you get that? I thought that the US and the Federation were the only countries still really standing due to the Middle East blowing up in a nuclear war that caused the destruction of most of the world's oil, leading to widespread economic collapse that left the US and Federation the only entities still standing.

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#175366: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:15:01 AM

I havent played ghosts but i'm sure that game conveniently ignores the fact that even IF that was the case (it isn't), the US isnt exactly one to talk. What with funding all those military dictatorships and all.

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#175367: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:28:15 AM

[up] Theories say that the EU might be stuck in some sort of conflict with Russia, also fighting for resources.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#175368: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:40:26 AM

Republicans Are Facing Their Constituents in Town Halls This Week, and the People Are Angry

If you can answer any of that, I'll sit down and shut up like Elizabeth Warren." - constituent to Mitch Mc Connell pic.twitter.com/M3h Pr Vk Um F

— Axios (@axios) February 21, 2017

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#175369: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:45:49 AM

[up] That'll show em. :D

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#175370: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:50:22 AM

The fact that it took defending kid fucking to get rid of Milo says bad things about the "conservative movement".

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#175371: Feb 22nd 2017 at 10:54:13 AM

In other news, the leaks plaguing Trump aren't due to some "deep state" conspiracy, the Orange House is literally so poorly run, and Trump is so insecure, that they happen on their own.

That's disappointing. I'm still going to imagine a CIA agent sipping from a coffee cup to hide his siht-eating grin every time a leak comes out.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#175372: Feb 22nd 2017 at 11:00:42 AM

@Fighter: incidentally, mentioned for the sake of context, Spec Ops: The Line is a serious deconstruction of the military shooter as power fantasy. Brutally so because it does it with a bit of a bait and switch of presenting itself as a pretty average game at the start before everything goes horribly wrong.

If you're already aware of that, don't mind me, but it didn't read like you were.

edited 22nd Feb '17 11:01:56 AM by Elle

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#175373: Feb 22nd 2017 at 11:15:20 AM

[up][up]The Trump regime collapsing under the weight of its own incompetence is probably more healthy for democracy than the CIA taking them down from within.

And a lot of veteran reporters/politics wonks are comparing Trump to the Nixon admin in terms of how poorly things are run internally. Only Trump has less expertise in his inner circle and doesn't even have Nixon's cunning.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#175374: Feb 22nd 2017 at 11:16:44 AM

[up] So, a case of Reality Ensues when it comes to a demagogue who believes his dream job can run the same as president?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#175375: Feb 22nd 2017 at 11:22:16 AM

[up] The best case scenario is Trump being lackluster and simply losing his reelection bid. Impeachment doesn't seem particularly likely, and if in 2018 the democrats manage to rally and take back the house and the senate as improbable as that would be (but if that doesn't come with local and state level victories we're just setting ourselves up for another round of heel dragging and obstruction), it might be better to just let Trump serve out the remainder of his term and get crushed in his reelection bid or involved in a damaging and divisive primary battle than to go for impeachment unless the pretenses are ironclad.


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