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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#175276: Feb 21st 2017 at 4:56:37 PM

Just have to hope the judicial branch can keep holding the line until we can get them legislative backup in 2018.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#175277: Feb 21st 2017 at 4:59:56 PM

The judicial branch is providing more resistance than I expected them to.

Do not obey in advance.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#175278: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:02:39 PM

Yeah, anti-globalization also features in the far left, but for different reasons, namely "capitalism/imperialism is bad/abusive".

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#175279: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:16:32 PM

So, if anyone here had any doubts that the "Justice Democrats" are a bad idea, I have the nail in the coffin: Here's Sargon of Akkad endorsing them.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#175281: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:34:14 PM

[up][up]Not going to click the link, so summary please?

Incidentally, I think the problem with the idea is that it's not clear who are the Democrats if any they support (although I have a few guesses) and who are the ones they oppose (ditto).

The whole idea of primarying every Senate Democrat who voted for a Trump nominee doesn't really work since I believe all Senate Dems (in which I include Bernie Sanders although he isn't technically a Democrat) voted for at least one.

Kind of as a related thought, the related idea of Sanders Democrats doesn't make much sense to me because that idea/the Justice Democrats label seems to exist in opposition to every current Democrat. Which makes me question if they are actually Democrats. It's also odd because some of the people who they would seemingly endorse- Keith Ellison, Elizabeth Warren, and to a lesser extent, Bernie Sanders himself, all like/support the Party.

edited 21st Feb '17 5:34:32 PM by Hodor2

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#175282: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:36:36 PM

[up]That's the summary, he endorses the J Ds, the video is there so anyone who doesn't believe me can see it for themselves.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#175283: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:38:17 PM

Sorry. I meant that I didn't want to give page views, not that I didn't believe you.

I am curious about his reasons for supporting them- is it like because they will create chaos in the party or because he likes them better than established Dems for some reason? And if the latter, what is his reason for liking them?

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#175284: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:50:22 PM

[up]Oh, no worries, it's just that since I forgot to explain that when I linked it, so I took the chance to clarify.

And on "why he supports them", I assume it's got to do with the fact that his issue where he is a broken clock is worker's rights (and labor exploitation in general), that plus isolationism might be enough for him to like them.

That or he's trying to use them to sow discontent among the Democrats by getting some of the "anti establishment" crowd to start useless fights, but I don't know if he's that Machiavellian.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#175285: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:51:11 PM

Isn't this Sargon guy not a huge fan of identity politics/civil rights?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#175286: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:51:59 PM

[up] He's a pretty shitty excuse for a human being in general.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#175287: Feb 21st 2017 at 5:54:15 PM

He's basically the alt-right before the alt-right proper came along, I don't know if he formally identifies with the movement but think of any bullshit edgelordism you'd see on 4chan or other parts of the internet and he's got you covered with an extra dose of condescension and pseudo-intellectualism.

edited 21st Feb '17 5:57:55 PM by Draghinazzo

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#175288: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:01:30 PM

I used to watch him. He's very pretentious and half-asses a lot of his rhetoric and has a nasty habit of attacking critics personally rather then actually debating their arguments. His name and persona kind of show how pretentious and just how much of a cherry picker he is (the statue he used as his avatar/persona is not the actual Sargon of Akkad, only briefly rumored to be him).

He also got kicked off of twitter for posting gay porn as an ever so classy response to criticism so there's that.....

edited 21st Feb '17 6:02:10 PM by Wispy

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#175289: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:01:33 PM

Idle thought: There's a lot of speculation about how much control the Russians have over Trump. I wonder if Steve Bannon might be Putin's arm in the White House. It occurred to me today that nobody's really investigating Bannon because nobody needs to. Everyone knows he's a shit. If he's being sketchy, that's because he's Steve Bannon, no further questions needed.

This is a guy who has thoroughly upstaged Trump and is speculated by many to be the true power in Washington, but has suffered absolutely no retaliation from Trump. For whatever reason, he's the one part of the cabinet that seems absolutely, unquestionably untouchable by Trump.

edited 21st Feb '17 6:02:34 PM by TobiasDrake

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#175290: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:03:39 PM

[up][up][up]He was one of the big pushers of a certain movement started on false pretenses, so I'd say that he has all but explicitly done so, while claiming to be a "classical liberal".

He's pretty much an archetypal Bernie Bro - wants "economic justice" (read free weed and college for his pasty white self), and everyone else's concerns can go die in a fire. Especially if you are a woman.

edited 21st Feb '17 6:04:49 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#175291: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:12:41 PM

[up][up] I don't have a source or anything to cite so this is all idle speculation, but what I have heard is that Trump considers Bannon "his guy" in the sense that he feels Pence, Ryan, Priebus, etc are not personally loyal to him, but to their party and their (terrible) ideals. Meanwhile Trump obviously could not care less about the GOP proper or anything else besides feeling powerful, "winning" and lining his pockets.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#175292: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:13:35 PM

@ the Judicial branch: Becoming a judge is hard. Really hard. It takes like 15 years minimum, and that's bare minimum. Even the places that elect judges only consider someone who is qualified to be a judge. While you get the occasional nutjob who slips through the cracks, the vast majority of judges in the US are very well trained in the law and worked extremely hard to get to where they are, and almost all of them have a deep respect for the rule of law, because they know exactly how it works. The US has an issue with partisan judges, but even the most partisan judge would balk at someone trying to tear down the whole judiciary, because even at the most selfish level, judges keep those jobs for a very long time and only the really stupid ones would support someone who wants to throw them out on the street.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#175293: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:15:29 PM

Sargon's a scumbag who may be the Ur-Example of the altright (or at least, of the altright youtuber), but who seems to dislike them and not realize he is one of them. The aforementioned "spam gay porn in twitter" was a "stop following me" move directed at an altrighter, for example.

He's really the kind of person where his support of something is enough to think twice about that thing.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#175294: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:27:40 PM

That doesn't really surprise me at all because there's a bit of a spectrum to this sort of thing. As I've said many times before the alt-right is essentially just a progression from the culture of cynicism and pretentiousness that has been around in various internet communities for quite a long time now. So there are a lot of people who are closer to the alt-right than us, but they don't necessarily go as far them like supporting Trump, inciting hate speech or being as vitriolic or openly hateful.

Many of them don't really think of themselves as "conservatives", in my experience that is in large part because they associate it and the Republican party with the religious right (which they dislike because they are not religious), not aware that their attitudes towards women are in many ways fundamentally conservative anyways, if not in the "actually reactionary" sense than certainly "women have it fine right now and i don't want them to have LESS rights than they do presently, but right now they are fighting to advance themselves socially at our expense and if someone has to lose out better them than us".

Sargon is perfectly in line with that actually, since he has no self-awareness.

edited 21st Feb '17 6:34:00 PM by Draghinazzo

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#175295: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:28:55 PM

In other good news, Governor Mcauliffe in Virginia vetoed a similar bill to cut Planned Parenthood funding. [1]. One step at a time.

fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#175296: Feb 21st 2017 at 6:56:16 PM

Thank god our governor is democratic. Hopefully Virginia eventually goes full blue.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#175298: Feb 21st 2017 at 7:16:05 PM

[up] Very niceu, more unity between the two more than ever

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#175299: Feb 21st 2017 at 7:25:00 PM

Military Childcare Programs Suspended because of Trump's Hiring Freeze

On January 23, Trump announced a hiring freeze for federal workers. While the freeze included exemptions for those “working in the military” and other national security positions, members of the Armed Forces are feeling the effects.

At least two Army bases are suspending childcare programs, citing staff shortages related to the hiring freeze.

In Fort Knox, Kentucky, garrison commander Col. Stephen Aiton sent a memo on February 17 immediately suspending new enrollment in the childcare program. He also announced that hourly and part-day services would be eliminated at the end of the month “until further notice.” Those part-day services includes preschool.

Aiton explained that “due to the federal hiring freeze” the facility was “prevented from bringing on new caregivers” to replace those that are leaving. The freeze is making it a challenge to provide “quality childcare,” Alton wrote.

But they LOVE the troops, guys!

New Survey coming this weekend!
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#175300: Feb 21st 2017 at 7:37:28 PM

Love the troops, hate the soldiers.


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