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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#175051: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:10:26 PM

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responsible for less economic (but slightly, and I mean slightly) more violent crime

HARGH, that's all that matters! See? Muslims immigrants ''are'' more violent than locals!

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#175052: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:11:50 PM

[up][up]Because interacting with people of radically different views to us in a respectful way is how we both show them that people who think differently from them have a right to feel that way, and aren't liable to harm them just because they see the world in a massively different way to them.

Thus we stop people from being radicalized.

edited 19th Feb '17 3:12:01 PM by SaintDeltora

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#175053: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:18:00 PM

Huh. Thats equally true whether your talking about radical Muslims, or conservatives.

Oppose Trump, reach out to conservatives.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#175054: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:21:34 PM

[up]Admittedly, it's much easier to do that in real life than it is on the net.

And that will be my last post in this discussion, because I am getting very nervous, frazzled and freaking out. And have class tomorrow.

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#175055: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:44:14 PM

Drumpf's is blatantly using the othering of immigrants and refugees to justify his rule and how his and only his measures and ideas can keep the US safe from terrorist or criminals. This is downright out of the Goebbels and Hitler's playbook.

His audience will keep eating that stuff, but it should be pretty obvious that foreign and radical Islamic terrorism on US soil is a very overblown issue.

He is so desperate to create a siege mentality he can't help but to fall flat on his face by making stupid and fake claims.

Inter arma enim silent leges
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#175056: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:50:01 PM

[up]x10 Whatever. These people had it in themselves to support the man who practically redefined uncouth vitriol in global politics. Clearly they're just fine with that sort of thing as long as it's in service to politics they agree with. If people are rightly telling them to go fuck themselves, they really don't have a moral high horse to sit on.

edited 19th Feb '17 3:50:20 PM by DrDougsh

SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
The Mistress
#175057: Feb 19th 2017 at 3:56:36 PM

[up]See, that's the thing. You assume they are, while I don't. And in fact think that's a dangerous assumption to make.

At worst, it's liable to turn into a self-fufilling prophecy.

"Please crush me with your heels Esdeath-sama!
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#175058: Feb 19th 2017 at 4:08:00 PM

Here's the thing look at the examples listed on the last page.

  • The first one is someone who strait up doesn't recognise the damage they've done to the entire world by voting for Trump, they don't get that yes it's a statement about them morally. Yes voting for a guy who boast about committing sexual assault and calls for the use of torture and the murder of civilians is a statement about you as a person. Sure you'd have taken any other option, but you still chose that option, the idea that maybe your personal ecneomic decline from middle class to lower middle class isn't more important than global security paints you as a very selfish person. This person could maybe be appealed to by making it clear that the Dems actually were offering a better way for them to be helped, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't see them deserving sympathy for being rejected due to willing to elect a rapist in chief so as to line their own pockets. In the end they won't be won over by the Dems actions I suspect but by the fact that in four years they will be rose of and will realise that siding with Trump didn't get them closer to their destination, it got them further.

  • The second one is simply delusional, protests are destroying the country? The Dems are to into identity politics (AKA not racist enough anymore)? The idea that the civil war has started now because of the Democrats is simply laughable, the Dems weren't the ones who spent six years destroying the country out of spite at a black man getting elected president. The ways to appear to such a person are to either roll over for Trump or screw over minorities, again I'll pass.

  • The third one honestly the responce to the friend makes it clear what kind of person they are. When someone close to you raises serious moral issues with a choice you're making maybe take a step back from reconsider your actions instead of screaming "well fuck you then!" Plus I find it hard to sympathise with anyone who owns a MAGA hat.

Also on another point I missed.

@Nativejovian: Then we are doomed, because we cant form a large enough majority of voters to overcome our electoral college disadvantage without courting at least some of them.

We can actually, youth involvement was down, minority involvement was down, independent involvement was down and even with all that Trump won by the skin on his tether after getting support from Russia, the FBI, the press and benefiting from thirty years of hatred aimed at Clinton. He needed all fo that for a narrow win. We fix even open fo those things and we get a narrow win, we fix several and we get a solid win, we fix them all and get the people Trump has conned and who will have seen their lives get worse? That's a strong win right there.

Now with voting rights back to Jim Crow days minoriy turnout may well be one of the hardest to fix, that may have to wait until after 2020, where the Dems might be able to get the House, Senate and White House and pass a new Voting Rights Act.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#175059: Feb 19th 2017 at 4:18:04 PM

Been out of the thread for a couple days, so apologies if this was already brought up: Paul Ryan is trying to ban Democratic Reps from meeting with ICE.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#175060: Feb 19th 2017 at 4:26:36 PM

I guess the warnings in this thread about Trump/the GOP turning ICE into a 21st century Gestapo weren't hyperbole...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#175061: Feb 19th 2017 at 5:12:04 PM

Nah, the FBI are the Gestapo.

ICE are the Sturmabteilung.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#175062: Feb 19th 2017 at 5:58:15 PM

Trump is now offering National Security Advisor candidates full autonomy over staffing if they accept the position.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#175063: Feb 19th 2017 at 6:09:27 PM

[up] Surprised he didn't throw in a free pony or something too.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#175064: Feb 19th 2017 at 6:11:57 PM

I'll believe that when the one that takes the job kicks Bannon off without a peep from Trump.

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#175065: Feb 19th 2017 at 6:14:04 PM

[up] I wanted to say something similar, but then I thought "Wait, would he have that power to fire Bannon?". I'm thinking Bannon and insert name here would be equals, and neither of them could fire each other; only Trump could.

EDIT: Senior Trump Appointee for the NSC, Craig Deare, was fired for criticizing Trump in Private. And they keep leaving/getting fired. Soon only Bannon will be in the NSC!

[down] Yeah, no way would Trump give someone his power, and I'm sure anyone even tempted into taking the job would know that he means "You can hire your own subordinates, but you still answer to me".

... I just got a funny idea: Hillary Clinton offers to take the job. It'd be the absolute funniest thing.

edited 19th Feb '17 6:55:48 PM by DingoWalley1

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#175066: Feb 19th 2017 at 6:46:03 PM

The idea is that, if Trump really is giving full autonomy, then the guy could say "Hit the road" and Trump would comply. If he refused, then the claim would be bogus.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#175067: Feb 19th 2017 at 6:56:13 PM

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Soon only Bannon will be in the NSC!

BANNON: All according to plan... {Cue evil laugh}

edited 19th Feb '17 7:21:32 PM by kkhohoho

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#175068: Feb 19th 2017 at 7:07:02 PM

The BBC asks some blunt questions:
A Canadian reporter was barred from entering the US. Is this the beginning of the end of press freedom?

Ed Ou is used to crossing borders.

The award-winning Canadian photojournalist has spent the past decade travelling to the kinds of places where being in the media can be a hazard to your health: Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Egypt and Turkey, to name a few.
So when he booked a flight in October to the US from Canada to cover the Standing Rock pipeline protests in North Dakota for the Canadian Broadcasting Company, he was relieved... "In my mind I had nothing to hide. [America] is actually one of the few places in the world where you can just say you're a journalist," he told the BBC.

But when he told US border officials at the Vancouver airport he was travelling to North Dakota to cover Standing Rock, he says they pulled him aside and proceeded to interrogate him for six hours.
When he refused to unlock his mobile on the grounds that it contained confidential information about sources, they forcibly took his Sim cards and made copies of his reporter's notebook and personal diary.
Then they barred him from entering the US.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which is representing Mr Ou, and the Canadian Journalists for Free Expression have both condemned the incident. But according to the law, what happened at the US-Canada border is entirely legal.

The Customs and Border Protection agency told the BBC it cannot comment on individual cases, but that people who feel they have been treated unfairly can complain to the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees border security.

Should you take your phone to the United States?
"The next time you plan to cross a border, leave your phone at home."
That is the rather startling advice in a blogpost that is being widely shared right now.
Its author, Quincy Larson, is a software engineer, who has previously written about the importance of protecting personal data. He now fears that data could be at risk every time you cross a border.
His concerns were sparked by the story of Sidd Bikkannavar, an American-born Nasa engineer, who flew home from a trip to Chile last month. On arrival in Houston, he was detained by the border police and, by his own account, put under great pressure to hand over the passcode to his smartphone, despite the fact that the device had been issued to him by Nasa.
Eventually, Bikkannavar did hand over both the phone and the passcode. It was taken away for 30 minutes and then returned, and he was free to go.

We also know that the new homeland security secretary, John Kelly, has talked of requiring visa applicants to hand over passwords to their social media accounts - though whether that could apply at the border too is not clear.
And on Thursday, a new Republican congressman took to Twitter to announce proudly that he had introduced his first bill - to require the review of visa applicants' social media.
Larson predicts that a policy where travellers are asked to download the contents of their phones will soon become commonplace, not just in the United States but around the world.
Hence his advice to leave your mobile phone and laptop at home and rent devices when you get to your destination.
As for the American embassy, well I called before lunchtime on Thursday and got a perfectly pleasant response...Forty-eight hours after my first enquiry, I have now received a response to my questions from the US embassy in London. Here it is:

"All international travellers arriving to the US are subject to US Customs & Border Protection inspection. This inspection may include electronic devices such as computers, disks, drives, tapes, mobile phones and other communication devices, cameras, music and other media players and any other electronic or digital devices. Keeping America safe and enforcing our nation's laws in an increasingly digital world depends on our ability to lawfully examine all materials entering the US.
"US Customs & Border Protection realises the importance of international travel to the US economy and we strive to process arriving travellers as efficiently and securely as possible while ensuring compliance with laws and regulations governing the international arrival process."

Does everyone know how to pose for national geographic?

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#175069: Feb 19th 2017 at 7:15:03 PM

So apparently Chris Wallace took Reince Priebus to task over Trump's comments about "fake media" being the enemy of the country.

One part was saying that, as much as Obama may have griped and moaned about Fox, he never said they were "the enemy", and the other part was pointing out the hypocrisy of Priebus criticizing the NY Times for using anonymous sources while using an unnamed source to debunk the claim.

The second link is directly to Fox, but Wallace going on the attack against Priebus is worth a watch.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#175070: Feb 19th 2017 at 7:31:42 PM

[up][up]That'd get challenged real quick, especially the part where they ask for passwords to social media accounts. That shit's private.

But Jesus fucking Christ the next four years keep looking longer with every thing that comes out of the White House.

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#175071: Feb 19th 2017 at 8:12:07 PM

Abstainers most assuredly are to blame. Compared with 2012 there was a big dropoff in blue voters, while there was little change on the other side.

When either choice is going to fuck you, you shouldn't offer them the lube.

edited 19th Feb '17 8:12:42 PM by HextarVigar

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#175072: Feb 19th 2017 at 8:12:17 PM

Trump's Personal Lawyer, Michael Cohen, has a plan to solve the rising Russian-Ukrainian Tensions: Provide evidence of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko being corrupt to ouster him!

Trump is completely, 100% a Russian Asset at this point. There is no doubt anymore. And so much for Trump not influencing his Allies through covert actions like this that a lot of his stupid Trumpeteers peddle!

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#175073: Feb 19th 2017 at 8:14:12 PM

When either choice is going to fuck you, you shouldn't offer them the lube.

Sure, but as that's a totally false representation of the choice that was offered who cares?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#175074: Feb 19th 2017 at 8:17:00 PM

Poroshenko IS corrupt. People who are otherwise pro-Kiev and not happy with what Russia is doing over there still realize the current president is an opportunistic scumball whose popularity is in the single digits. By all means, criticize Trump, but some things veer into Hitler Ate Sugar....

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#175075: Feb 19th 2017 at 8:21:07 PM

No discussion of the "I am a Muslim" rally that happened today? It was organized by a former Trump buddy, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons.

The list of speakers was extensive, according to the program. In addition to entrepreneur and Def Jam Recordings co-founder Russell Simmons, who helped organize the event, attendees were scheduled to hear from rabbis, imams, a Sikh, a Buddhist, Episcopalian and Presbyterian reverends, a Mennonite, a Seventh Day Adventist minister, a Hindu, a Baptist pastor, local politicians and civil rights advocates.

edited 19th Feb '17 8:22:31 PM by BonsaiForest


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