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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#174751: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:48:44 AM

Yeah, I think he did that.

Also, Trump has posted a survey about people and the GOP's relationship with the media. Basically it's asking "Do you feel the same way about the press as I do."

I swear if Trump tries to do something to limit the media I would not be surprised.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#174752: Feb 17th 2017 at 8:52:00 AM

Mobilizing the Guard to back up the enforcement agencies manning the border is one thing (especially given that the cartels are a thing...and according to the Bloomberg article they were only employed as extra eyes). Mobilizing them to raid homes and businesses is quite another.

edited 17th Feb '17 8:57:38 AM by Elle

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#174753: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:00:53 AM

Yeah, I heard a story about how ICE was actually canvasing schools in some areas and nailing parents as they came to pick up their children.

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#174754: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:01:52 AM

So what's the fine line where the Posse Comitatus act is violated?

Assuming that Congress will even bother to enforce it. sad

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#174755: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:03:04 AM

Yeah, plus ultimately we fall under the jurisdiction of the states, not the federal government. I'm in California, and I'm pretty sure Brown isn't about to sign off on any half-cocked mass deportation order, but if he does, well, there's still refusal and resignation.

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#174756: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:04:20 AM

[up] Let's hope he goes all Rohan towards Trump. cool

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#174757: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:05:01 AM

I'm not going to be surprised if Latino terrorist movements targeting white people start springing up left and right in the future.

It's heartbreaking reading the very first few pages of this thread made during the 2012 election and comparing them to now.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#174758: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:05:31 AM

So what's the fine line where the Posse Comitatus act is violated?
When federal troops are involved. The National Guard are under state authority, which is why people are saying that they need governors' permission to actually use the National Guard for anything.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#174759: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:06:21 AM

What do you mean "Go Rohan"? I know who Rohan Kishibe is, but I can't think of anything he's done that he could "go" on him that's relevant here.

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#174760: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:06:28 AM

One woman was seized when she came into court to keep an appointment regarding a domestic abuse case.

Trump delenda est
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#174761: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:06:53 AM

I'm guessing this is a trial balloon (assuming it's actually true; when you're as far into the Tyson Zone as Trump is, it's difficult even for credible journalists to determine the truthfulness of a particular claim), and given how Trump's team is vehemently denying it rather than giving a standard political non-answer, it seems like the response has put this particular plan on hold. Hopefully.

edited 17th Feb '17 9:08:19 AM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#174762: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:09:31 AM

My instinct is turning into "Spicer is lying" by default. If he's denying allegations there's a good chance they're true. :P

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#174763: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:11:59 AM

[up][up][up][up] You know his most famous quote, right?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#174764: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:12:08 AM

That should be true of basically any Trump spokesperson. Spicer's just the one with the shittiest poker face. Treat Conway and new guy Steve Miller with the same level of suspicion.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#174765: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:18:04 AM

[up][up] ohhhh, okay. "Facing people who think they've won and telling them 'no'"

Way it was said I was thinking more actual action than relevant quotation

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#174766: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:19:39 AM

[Bloomberg]:Republicans' Gerrymandering Could End Up Helping Democrats

In short: Gerrymandering requires certain assumptions of how the electorate will behave to make safe-ish districts, essentially: they work with politics as usual, and with PresiDonT Nothing Is the Same Anymore, so working on those assumptions (say, high withe middle class baby boomer and low millenial minority turnout) could end up giving many "safe" Republican districts to Democrats.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#174767: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:28:15 AM

Lets hope.

Hillary Clintons weaknesses as a candidate are very important because we want someone who can win next time.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#174768: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:06:18 AM

I mentioned that we're seeing a likely polarity flip in politics a la Nixon. The question is who the Democrats will seek as constituents and who they'll throw under the bus.

edited 17th Feb '17 10:06:35 AM by Ramidel

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#174769: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:18:04 AM

They'll likely not try and nominate someone that despite being a career politician has way too much dirty laundry to be seen as electable again, and the DNC is going to be watched much more closely to ensure they can't manipulate votes again.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#174770: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:18:17 AM

Oh, wow, that poll from the Trumpians was comically biased.

It's clearly designed to produce data to support an agenda of dismantling the free press and support organizations that give pro-Trump propaganda.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#174771: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:25:28 AM

That poll looks like an example from my Research Methods class. Of what not to do.

EDIT: Trump's EPA pick has been confirmed, most on party lines but...

Democratic senators Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who both the represent energy producing states, voted for Pruitt. Moderate Republican Susan Collins of Maine voted against him.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/17/politics/senate-epa-scott-pruitt/index.html

edited 17th Feb '17 10:31:36 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#174772: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:27:24 AM

Sure, if you want data that reflects reality. If you want data that backs a particular agenda, the biggest problem is that the bias is so incredibly obvious.

Then again, I could be overestimating the ability of the avalerage taker of the poll to detect bias.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#174773: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:29:42 AM

According to Gallup, Trump's approval rating is at all-time low for his Presidency at 38%, dispproval an all-time high at 56%.

I'd say it needs to drop another 15 points before we'll start seeing real pushback against him from the current congress, which will probably requier cutting into his core support basenote .

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#174774: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:30:47 AM

He's getting close to Dubya's late numbers....

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#174775: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:34:35 AM

[up][up][up]It's why it's a perfect example of what not to do. It fails if you're wanting to actually do science, but also fails on the propaganda front, too. There are ways and ways of massaging data. That ain't. tongue

edited 17th Feb '17 10:37:35 AM by Euodiachloris


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