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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#174676: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:48:34 PM

[up][up][up][up]That's not what the idiom means in this case. His bias is against Hillary.

edited 16th Feb '17 7:48:43 PM by Gilphon

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Oh, bother.
#174678: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:48:59 PM

[up]x6 By "hard-on", they meant a hard-on for writing dirt on the Clintons.

[nja]

edited 16th Feb '17 7:49:25 PM by M84

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#174679: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:50:09 PM

Yeah, at this point, it's abundantly clear that Series of Numbers isn't a Trump supporter, just a Bernie Bro, and the Democratic party cannot affort to splinter into factions any more than it already has. Perhaps someone should refute their claims and arguments with evidence and proof instead of simply discounting them.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#174680: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:50:33 PM

Clinton's evil is relevant in that it provides a legitimate reason for someone to have voted Trump, meaning it's not right that people on this forum lump all Trump voters together with the bigoted ones.

Except that Trump is vastly worse in every conceivable way, so no, it doesn't. Which is the point that the post saying it was irrelevant was making.

If Greenwald's reporting usually reflects that he has a "hard on" for the Clintons, wouldn't that make a story from him about Clinton that paints Hillary negatively more credible, not less? I mean, he'd be going against his natural bias, right? It'd be like a Fox story that made Hillary look good.

That's not what the phrase means. Having a hard on for someone means having it out for them.

Yeah, at this point, it's abundantly clear that Series of Numbers isn't a Trump supporter, just a Bernie Bro, and the Democratic party cannot affort to splinter into factions any more than it already has. Perhaps someone should refute their claims and arguments with evidence and proof instead of simply discounting them.

Right. That's why they showed up in the thread on fighting Islamaphobia thread to make Islamaphobic comments that derailed the discussion and got the thread moderated.

As for refuting their claims, it's been done. They just disappear for a few weeks, then return to push the same tired lines about the evils of Clinton, often while implicitly or explicitly defending Trump. We've argued with them. Nothing takes. At this point disregard is the only thing saving us from getting this thread modded too.

edited 16th Feb '17 7:53:14 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SeriesOfNumbers Since: Jun, 2013
#174681: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:51:31 PM

@174643, 174645 and 174647:

My mistake. I thought having a "hard on for" someone always implied being admiring of them and biased in their favor.

edited 16th Feb '17 7:53:53 PM by SeriesOfNumbers

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#174682: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:52:15 PM

Betsy DeVos praises Magnet Schools, scolds protesters for fearing 'change'. For those who don't know, Magnet Schools are highly specialized, highly diversified Public schools.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#174683: Feb 16th 2017 at 7:53:22 PM

Then that phrase has more than one meaning. I've only every known "having a hard on" to mean great love for.

HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#174684: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:03:38 PM

#RememberTheTable16/02/17

edited 16th Feb '17 8:03:55 PM by HextarVigar

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#174685: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:03:41 PM

@Parable-

Me Too!. I think the "opposite" is to have a "hate boner" for something.

Probably best to avoid either expression.

edited 16th Feb '17 8:04:07 PM by Hodor2

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#174686: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:04:57 PM

I thought the meaning of the expression was pretty easy to decipher from context.

But this is hardly the most important point.

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#174687: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:05:24 PM

Right. That's why they showed up in the thread on fighting Islamaphobia thread to make Islamaphobic comments that derailed the discussion and got the thread moderated.
For the record there's nothing saying the left can't be guilty of Islamaphobia. Just look at Bill Maher. I think it tends to come from some of the militant atheist crowd, like when Dawkins compared Islam to Nazism.

(disclaimer: agnostic here - this is just a trend I've noticed)

edited 16th Feb '17 8:22:18 PM by Pseudopartition

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Oh, bother.
#174688: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:10:16 PM

Paul Ryan claimed that the Trump presidency is exactly on track in a recent interview with Trump fanboy Hannity.

Wow, that's...I'm at a loss for words here everyone. The sheer amount of stupid/denial/myopia...I cannot think of the right words for this. At least none that wouldn't get me banned from this thread.

[up] Yeah, but they at least usually spare some time to deriding other religions for their bullshit too. For the record, I'm an atheist.

edited 16th Feb '17 8:12:17 PM by M84

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#174689: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:13:20 PM

De Vos is quite sure of herself for someone who has the dubious honor of enduring the greatest backlash among Trump's picks—and nominees in general in living memory, and is opposed by about all the people in her subject area, including the school system she used to work with in Michigan.

Also comment from the Mc Carthy impersonator story: "Man, roasting the Trump administration is rapidly supplementing football as one of humanity's great uniters."

edited 16th Feb '17 8:17:37 PM by CenturyEye

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SeriesOfNumbers Since: Jun, 2013
#174690: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:16:57 PM

Except that Trump is vastly worse in every conceivable way

I'd say he's vastly worse in some ways and only marginally worse in other ways. It's entirely legitimate that someone might evaluate differently, though, even if none of us here agree with them.

Right. That's why they showed up in the thread on fighting Islamaphobia thread to make Islamaphobic comments that derailed the discussion and got the thread moderated.

Actually, I originally showed up to complain about some of the same people you complained about. I simply expressed disagreement with the idea that the people in question were islamophobic and pointed to polls to prove my point. Apparently you think pointing out what the polls actually say is Islamophobic if it doesn't support what you want to believe. And even if your characterization of what I said and did on the Islamophobia poll were accurate, it wouldn't be mutually exclusive with being a Bernie supporter and there's no reason someone can't be a genuine Islamophobe without being a Trump supporter, so this argument of yours doesn't make sense on any level.

As for refuting their claims, it's been done.

It's been attempted occasionally, but I haven't found the counterarguments very convincing. Often times my points have simply been ignored.

They just disappear for a few weeks,

Well, watching people miss my point and falsely accuse me of being a troll and/or Trump supporter over and over gets exhaustively frustrating after a while, so I take a break.

then return to push the same tired lines about the evils of Clinton

Because I haven't found the defenses of Clinton very convincing and people here keep making the same nonsensical points in her defense.

often while implicitly or explicitly defending Trump.

Nope. I've occasionally defended people who voted for Trump because I think there are some who voted for him for non-malicious reasons and/or didn't know the worst things about him, but any case of me defending Trump himself exists only in your mind.

We've argued with them. Nothing takes.

An argument has to actually be accurate and a good argument in order to stick. It doesn't help if, for example, you claim that a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist is just as unreliable a source as Fox News and then you don't provide any evidence of that.

Anyone want to take bets on how long before this post is thumped to supposedly protect my dignity while it's apparently totally dignified for Ambar Sonof Deshar to falsely brand me a troll just for disagreeing with him and an Islamophobe just for going where the evidence of polling data leads me? I'm betting about one minute or less.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#174692: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:22:39 PM

[up][up]Your points are often ignored because walls of text replies to a dozen different posts spread out across multiple days makes it more trouble than it's worth to figure out what you're talking about a lot of the time.

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Oh, bother.
#174693: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:24:06 PM

[up][up] Maybe Nordstrom's stock price going up after Trump dissed them for dropping Ivanka's brand from a bunch of outlets had something to do with it.

edited 16th Feb '17 8:24:15 PM by M84

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#174694: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:26:20 PM

[up] They're probably not at all impressed with Trump's "negotiating style" of locking guests into boardrooms and threatening them until they agree like Hollywood mafia bosses.

edited 16th Feb '17 8:26:37 PM by FluffyMcChicken

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#174695: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:29:21 PM

Pushover: The points have already been debated and refuted. The goalposts keep getting moved instead. If you pay attention the arguments have gone from "Hillary would have butchered untermensch ragheads the residents of the Middle East" to "Hillary is eeeeevil".

If one side consistently refuses to play ball there is no point in welcoming that side into the fold. They are welcome to join their local black bloc's war on store windows.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#174696: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:29:39 PM

For the record there's nothing saying the left can't be guilty of Islamaphobia. Just look at Bill Maher. I think it tends to come from some of the militant atheist crowd, like when Dawkins compared Islam to Nazism.

That's certainly true. On The Daily Banter, an otherwise pragmatic leftist site that I enjoy, there's an author named Michael Luciano who does literally nothing but publish articles railing about Islam. Numerous other authors on the site have in fact argued with him, and he keeps getting shredded in the comments, yet the site keeps publishing his garbage about how "Islam is the problem".

That said when we've got an Islamaphobe who actively defends Trump voters while continuing to go on about the evils of Clinton, I've got to look askance at that.

edited 16th Feb '17 8:30:14 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#174697: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:32:09 PM

Islamophobia and Trump support are closely correlated. That an Islamophobe is a Trump supporter is just a reasonable assumption to make.

There's a rather solid consensus that Secretary Clinton was the most qualified candidate in ever, and the only qualified candidate in the 2016 election. Beyond that, one theme of 2016 was the perfect was the archenemy of the good. Trying to repeat the she was flawed argument rubs salt on fresh wounds and rather overlooks that the people shunning Clinton effectively elected Trump. Personally, I never look for the messiah when voting, but competence and a relative lack of bigotry are luxuries as it turns out.

Voting for Trump was a massively irresponsible act by which 60 millions (not including the people who stayed home) greatly harmed about 400 millions and possibly 7 billions.
There were even less good reasons to vote for Trump than there are to invest in a Ponzi scheme. You can understand why they were suckered and try to prevent it next time, but the act was neither good nor excusable.

Never heard of or read the intercept. That's another's point to make.

edited 16th Feb '17 8:34:22 PM by CenturyEye

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#174698: Feb 16th 2017 at 8:38:37 PM

Those who, whether willfully or through ignorance, exaggerated Clinton's flaws and scandals while minimizing her strengths contributed directly to Trump's victory by causing people who might have voted Democrat to stay home or waste their votes on Stein or Johnson. Many other factors contributed, including some gross failures of competence by the campaign itself, but you cannot overlook anything when the outcome was so close.

Those who, even now, continue on that "Clinton was evil" line, are basically no longer Democrats. They've sold out to the propaganda of the alt-right, with Steve Bannon laughing in his beer.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#174699: Feb 16th 2017 at 9:34:17 PM

Shepherd Smith of Fox News had this to say in response to Trump's treatment of the media:

“It is crazy what we are watching every day, it is absolutely crazy,” Smith said. “He keeps repeating ridiculous throwaway lines that are not true at all and sort of avoiding this issue of Russia as if we are some kind of fools for asking the question.”

Smith then started to look into the camera and added, “Really? Your opposition was hacked, and the Russians were responsible for it, and your people were on the phone on the same day it was happening, and we are fools for asking those questions? No sir, we are not fools for asking those questions, and we demand to know the answer to this question. You owe this to the American people.”

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#174700: Feb 16th 2017 at 9:37:39 PM

If even fox thinks the republican president is full of shit and ptobably compromised by russians, then there's probably some fire under that smoke.


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