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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#174276: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:36:58 PM

[up]More like Black-and-Grey Morality. Just because the NSA has a terrible record on civil liberties doesn't mean they want to sell their country to Moscow.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#174277: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:42:34 PM

[up][up]The NSA and CIA have always been the cheerfully amoral Token Evil Teammate to this country, but they have always had their hearts in the right place, even or especially when that means ripping out someone else's. That said, they have been generally competent and dedicated, and they have provided the strongest pushback against the regime besides the federal courts; and if the links over the last few days are anything to go by, they appear to be in the process of cutting Trump and his acolytes out of as much sensitive policy and operations as possible. However, the FBI is still in the pocket of the moldy orange as long as Comey remains, which makes me glad that said sycophant has nowhere near the competence and reach of Hoover.

edited 14th Feb '17 5:43:15 PM by ViperMagnum357

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#174278: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:43:58 PM

And as nasty as the CIA can be, we can count on their consistent hatred of Russia if nothing else.

edited 14th Feb '17 5:52:59 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#174279: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:46:23 PM

Which seems to be their sole purpose of existence. That and goading America to war.

Continue writing our story of peace.
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#174280: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:53:11 PM

and The Devil Goes Down to Georgia note 

The head of Donald Trump’s national diversity coalition entered the race to replace former Rep. Tom Price on Tuesday, becoming one of the first acolytes of the president to seek public office after his election.
“I am running for Congress to be President Trump’s strongest ally on Capitol Hill in making his America First agenda a reality,” said [Sandy Springs businessman Bruce Le Vell], who has pledged to serve only eight years and to not take donations from special interests.
Although Trump won Georgia by a 5-point margin, the president’s embrace could prove riskier in Price’s establishment-friendly district.

Trump lost the district in Georgia’s March primary and eked out a 1-point victory over Democrat Hillary Clinton in November. Price, who was confirmed last week as Trump’s health secretary, won re-election by a more convincing 62 percent of the vote.
He seems more than willing to take that risk. In his campaign announcement, Le Vell said he would fight to break the “establishment’s stranglehold of power and end the progressives’ assault on our Constitution.”
And he knocks unnamed rivals in the race “for pretending to support the president while actively working behind the scenes” to undermine him.

Le Vell, who owns a jewelry shop in Dunwoody, joins a packed field on the second day of a three-day qualifying period for the office ranging from liberal Democrats running against the new president to conservatives who promise to be his biggest ally. The vote will be held on April 18 and a runoff – all but guaranteed – is set for June 20.

Whatever he's smoking must be fantastic, and medical marijuana is only slightly legal in GA...

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#174281: Feb 14th 2017 at 5:53:32 PM

Granted, now that Russia and China have (again) become threats to global stability...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#174283: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:01:31 PM

Point is, if I've learned anything from Deep Space Nine, its that having a Token Evil Teammate on your payroll is indispensable.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#174284: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:09:53 PM

If I learn anything from Game of Thrones, they are more harmful than all of my enemies combined.

edited 14th Feb '17 6:10:58 PM by RAlexa21th

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#174285: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:15:02 PM

Are you sure we aren't the threat to global stability at this point?

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#174286: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:16:53 PM

[up]We kind of have always been since WW 2

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#174287: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:25:04 PM

And the other shoe just fucking dropped.

Breaking news:

WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

But the intercepts alarmed American intelligence and law enforcement agencies, in part because of the amount of contact that was occurring while Mr. Trump was speaking glowingly about the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin. At one point last summer, Mr. Trump said at a campaign event that he hoped Russian intelligence services had stolen Hillary Clinton’s emails and would make them public.

It's on the New York Times. I can't link it since I don't have a subscription but someone copy-pasted this part.

LOCK HIM UP!!!

edited 14th Feb '17 6:26:04 PM by MadSkillz

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#174288: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:27:43 PM

Related to [up]

Trump knew for weeks that aide was being misleading over Russia: White House: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-flynn-idUSKBN15T226

Also:

Trump handling of security information at Mar-a-Lago queried by House panel:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-maralago-idUSKBN15T2Y2

House Democrats escalate effort to obtain Trump tax returns:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-maralago-idUSKBN15T2Y2

Trump administration officials may be deposed over immigration order:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-lawsuit-idUSKBN15R0Q6

All that one has on it is:

Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson said on Sunday he will depose Trump administration officials to uncover “what truly motivated” President Donald Trump's executive order on immigration if the case he brought against it goes to trial.

Documents and emails authored by administration officials may contain evidence that the order was an unconstitutional attempt to ban Muslims from entering the United States, and Ferguson will use "every tool" at his disposal to bring those to light, he told ABC's "This Week."

edited 14th Feb '17 6:31:42 PM by sgamer82

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#174289: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:32:01 PM

[up][up][up]This Survey was posted a while ago...Happy new year? The world's getting slowly more cheerful

...bad, but not entirely surprising, news for the US. The world's sometimes eager, sometimes reluctant policeman is the subject of widespread animosity. Predictable in some areas (the Middle East and North Africa) but less so in others. Eastern Europe's 32% figure may be heavily influenced by Russia and Ukraine, but across most of Western Europe there are also lots of figures in the high teens.
In the Americas themselves, decades of US meddling have left an awkward legacy. Its neighbours, Mexico (37%) and Canada (17%), clearly have issues. Even 13% of Americans see their own country as a danger. Pakistan's unenviable position as a (distant) second in the global threat stakes probably has a regional explanation - 15% of the world's population lives in its neighbour and arch-rival, India.
Huffington says it more bluntly If only they could drop using RT as a source...
This is the conclusion of a massive world opinion poll conducted by Win/Gallup International and released at the close of 2013. The poll, which was first conducted in 1977, asked over 66,000 thousand people across 65 countries this year a variety of questions about the world, including which country they would most like to call home, whether or not the world is becoming a generally better place and which country poses the greatest threat to world peace.
The U.S. was voted the biggest threat by far, garnering 24 percent of the vote. Pakistan was a very distant second with 8 percent, followed by China (6 percent) and Afghanistan (5 percent). .


[down]Russia Today

edited 14th Feb '17 6:35:25 PM by CenturyEye

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#174291: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:33:18 PM

[up][up][up][up]+[up][up][up]

The growing reality (not simply truth, but outright reality) that Trump is a Russian Stooge (at best) is getting me more and more nervous and saddened every day.

It's getting to the point that I'm starting to be okay with the idea of a Red Scare Mk. III!

I really wish that these agents, who are now leaking everything they have, would've done this sooner.

edited 14th Feb '17 6:34:00 PM by DingoWalley1

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#174292: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:36:17 PM

[up][up]Russia Today. They're English-language Russian propaganda along with a similar outfit, Sputnik. Major contributor to the fake news pool and frequent Brietbart source.

edited 14th Feb '17 6:36:54 PM by Elle

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#174293: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:38:08 PM

"I really wish that these agents, who are now leaking everything they have, would've done this sooner. "
To be fair, they probably didn't want to taint their own election, more than can be said for the FBI.
Also, the people who tend to work in those fields probably couldn't have dreamed that Trump would be electable...I thought he had no chance, and I live in GA.

edited 14th Feb '17 6:39:49 PM by CenturyEye

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#174294: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:39:48 PM

It certainly changes my view on humanity.

edited 14th Feb '17 6:40:02 PM by RAlexa21th

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#174295: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:40:46 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Russia Today. They and their more tabloid-ish sister Sputnik News (same Kremlin-controlled family) claim to offer alternative viewpoints the "MSM" won't touch.

By which they mean the Kremlin's line.

[up][up]My guess is that the intelligence community was aware of the entire thing, but had their hands tied due to not wanting to do anything capable of being construed as a blatant endorsement of one candidate over another. Now that Trump is President, with all the compromises... well, they did say "all enemies, foreign or domestic"...

edited 14th Feb '17 6:41:07 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#174296: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:45:45 PM

Sen. Rand Paul (R, KT) says Republicans should not investigate 'other Republicans', and that Trump's administration has dealt with the Flynn Crises well enough.

As far as I can tell, Rand Paul is compromised.

EDIT: But in positive news, Rep. Gus Bilirakis (R, FL) recognizes Protesters worries about ObamaCare repeal and replace, and as far as I can tell, is one of the few Republicans that recognizes these protests as being authentic.

He gains points with me.

edited 14th Feb '17 6:50:37 PM by DingoWalley1

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#174297: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:47:42 PM

I just want to point out that we knew about this Russian stuff before the election. The true magnitude of the scandal wasn't fully known but there were suspicious things coming to light about Trump's campaign months before. The Flynn stuff and Steele Dossier just added to the scandal. Now it seems like the dominoes are, hopefully, starting to fall.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#174298: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:47:49 PM

[up][up] All that tells me is

a) Rand Paul has something to hide

b) Rand Paul thinks other Republicans have something to hide and he doesn't want to expose them because Party over Country

or

c) both

edited 14th Feb '17 6:48:02 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#174299: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:49:14 PM

At this point it would not shock me if the Rs were actually hacking election machines or something and Russia knows about it. There's no other reason for so many of them to be this skittish about attacking Trump.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#174300: Feb 14th 2017 at 6:51:36 PM

What does Trump hope to gain from Russia?

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