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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#174076: Feb 13th 2017 at 1:42:55 AM

The issue with the main spillway isn't new either. In 1983, Glen Canyon Dam in Arizona also had its spillways damaged when they were used. Cavitation was the reason.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#174077: Feb 13th 2017 at 2:14:30 AM

For those who don't know, Oroville Dam is the tallest dam in the US (Switzerland's Grande Dixence concrete dam is even higher) and was built in the 60-70s by the state of California as a multipurpose dam on the Feather River. The town of Oroville lies downstream as does a fish hatchrry, the dam is too tall for a proper fish ladder.

This winter has brought far more precipitation than expected and caused the reservoir to fill until operators opened the main spillway a few days ago.

Things went haywire as a huge hole formed in the spillway channel. It's not known why but based on what happened at Glen Canyon I bet on cavitation. With the high water below the normal outlets (the turbines) don't work. To prevent further damage the operators decided to operate the spillway at low capacity and prepare the emergency spillway. Humans were not considered in danger yet but the baby fish in the hatchery were evacuated by truck as the disintegrating spillway renders the water silty and dangerous to fish, which normally at this time are put into the Feather River and migrate to the ocean.

Somewhere between Saturday and Sunday, the reservoir reached the crest of the emergency spillway and started overflowing. All went well until Sunday evening, when the emergency spillway started eroding as well. Now the city of Oroville - 160000 inhabitants or so - is being evacuated as officials fear a large breaching in the dam.

Nota bene, I've put this together from the local news. I don't live there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#174078: Feb 13th 2017 at 2:28:34 AM

16,000 not 160,000

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#174079: Feb 13th 2017 at 2:33:01 AM

So it is. Other towns are being evacuated too, in total about 188000 people seems like.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#174080: Feb 13th 2017 at 3:00:47 AM

[up]x7 Thanks for linking that interview, it's very interesting.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#174081: Feb 13th 2017 at 3:08:04 AM

So who wants to bet who the next right wing whiner will be screaming "WERE SO PERSECUTED!1!" when Trump doesn't destroy equal marriage by the end of the year?

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#174082: Feb 13th 2017 at 3:26:17 AM

I'm skeptical that Trump will actually go there. He's comparatively pro-LGBT for a Relublican, and while that means indifference towards states passing laws that fuck with marriage equality and abortion, thus far it seems like the Pence wing of the Trump administration is not dictating policy.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#174083: Feb 13th 2017 at 4:01:57 AM

Also, marriage equality is largely symbolic. Actual draconian LGBT legislation is far less divisive than striking down DOMA.

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#174084: Feb 13th 2017 at 4:11:55 AM

Can I suggest that LGBT rights be discussed in the dedicated thread? They are not so much more important than a dam crisis.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#174085: Feb 13th 2017 at 4:23:06 AM

Since the EO travel ban debacle it is entirely possible that Pence or Bannon will slip a poorly written EO for Trump to sign without reading and undermine the same sex marriage protections anyway.

Or maybe Trump ends up reading the next one but it is full of long works he doesn't understand and Bannon and Pence give him a botched explanation and have him sign it anyway.

[up]Apparently no one gives a dam.

edited 13th Feb '17 4:23:40 AM by AngelusNox

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#174086: Feb 13th 2017 at 6:26:44 AM

So apparently companies may not have to report the ratio of CEO pay to median employee pay after all

Not sure how serious this might end up being should the SEC decide to remove the rule...but anything that might lower the accountability and transparency of big business execs is probably not good.

edited 13th Feb '17 6:31:02 AM by M84

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#174087: Feb 13th 2017 at 6:59:04 AM

Frank Ancona, a KKK Imperial Wizard, has been found dead on the bank of the Big River.

Trump is not good at finding context.

I've been thinking about this sequence of events all day—and it's a disturbing one, albeit in an amusing and harmless context:

  • The President saw a single line of an article on a television show.
  • He tweeted that single line with apparently no idea who the author was or what the publication was, and indeed without reading the rest of the article.
  • Nobody in the White House vetted the tweet to discover the readily apparent fact that the article in question sharply criticized the President and supported the decision about which he was angrily complaining.
  • Nobody warned the President that the article was written by an author who had written numerous other articles ungraced by pleasant words about him—indeed, an author who has been calling him a threat to national security for nearly a year.
  • Nobody warned the President that the site he was about to praise has had a great deal of such writing by other writers as well.
It is a portrait in inconsequential and comical miniature of the incompetence and dysfunction we've been seeing since day one of the Trump Administration. It's the incompetence I wrote about the day after the executive order itself emerged with virtually no vetting. It's also the ineptitude or irrelevance of the White House Counsel that Jack Goldsmith has pointed out:

One person who must bear responsibility for the awful rollout of the EO is White House Counsel Donald Mc Gahn. The White House Counsel is charged with (among other things) ensuring proper inter-agency coordination on important legal policies and with protecting the President from legal fallout. Mc Gahn should have anticipated and corrected in advance the many foreseeable problems with the manner in which the EO was rolled out. And he should have advised the President after his first anti-Robart tweet, and after the other more aggressive ones, that the tweets were hurting the President’s legal cause.

If Mc Gahn did not do these things, he is incompetent, and perhaps we can attribute impulsive incompetence to the President. But if Mc Gahn did do these things—if he tried to put the brakes on the EO, and if he warned his client about the adverse impact of his tweets—then he has shockingly little influence with the President and within the White House (i.e. he is ineffectual).

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#174088: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:22:21 AM

"Little does Donald Trump know, the Mexicans have already devised a plan to get past the Wall"

They've had one since long before it was a concept in Trump's head. To quote Cristela Alonzo:

"Doesn't he know we use tunnels now? Build it as high as you want; we're underground, stupid!"

Even ignoring that, I've been pointing out since the moment Trump announced his stupid wall that the U.S.-Mexico border is not landlocked. What stops Mexicans from simply swimming around the f*cking thing?

And that's not even getting into the fact that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are from overstayed Visas.

The wall is a stupid idea from a stupid man too proud to recognize where he's gone wrong.

You know when Trump starts saber rattling I hope Hillary says on Twitter something simple like

"But my Emails, tho.

-H"

I want to start selling shirts with the slogan, "Still With Her".

edited 13th Feb '17 7:23:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#174089: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:23:27 AM

[up][up]Donald "Too Long; Didn't Read" Trump strikes again.

On Frank Ancona, aside from misreading his name as Anaconda, I am trying to think what a tragedy that is but all I am getting is what tragedy?.

[up]The wall doesn't stop people from overstaying their visas either.

edited 13th Feb '17 7:24:09 AM by AngelusNox

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#174090: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:24:45 AM

[up] He was elected to lead, not to read.

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#174091: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:26:38 AM

I would like to feel bad for Frank Ancona, but I have only a finite number of tears to shed and they're presently reserved for all the innocent men, women, and children who have suffered or been outright murdered under the violent racial tension the KKK have worked diligently to develop.

edited 13th Feb '17 7:26:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#174092: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:28:05 AM

Re: Tunnels: IIRC one of Trump's promises was that The Wall (TM) would have tunnel-detecting sensors above and below. Not really sure how that would practically work, though.

edited 13th Feb '17 7:28:47 AM by speedyboris

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#174093: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:28:58 AM

...

What does that even mean?

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Would that it were so simple.
#174094: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:31:08 AM

Re: the dead klansman: My thoughts.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#174095: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:36:27 AM

[up]You can apply that to any irredeemable soul of the Republican Party with some exceptions.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#174096: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:40:03 AM

Re: Tunnels: IIRC one of Trump's promises was that The Wall (TM) would have tunnel-detecting sensors above and below. Not really sure how that would practically work, though.

Seismic detectors, but good luck having enough covering the whole border or in areas with heavy traffic being able to detect stuff though.

The only good thing this wall could do is to make people more interested in Pink Floyd.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#174097: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:43:55 AM

[up] YOU CAN'T HAVE YER WALL IF YOU DON'T EAT YER MEAT!!!

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#174098: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:51:55 AM

I could at least see an argument for stupid vanity projects like the wall creating job opportunities if not for the fact that Trump's probably going to be using cheap labor from undocumented workers and imported Chinese steel.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#174099: Feb 13th 2017 at 8:05:54 AM

Idaho dairy owners bringing immigrant labor plight to GOP lawmakers

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/business/article132366959.html

Knowing Idaho is a Red State, there's a part of me that's going through that "Well what were you expecting?" that I think came up with an earlier, similar article.

Also:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-white-house-staff-234949

Trump may be contemplating a shake up of advisors and aides. One thing that stuck out to me suggests Trump might almost be putting serious thought into this.

If there is a single issue where the president feels his aides have let him down, it was the controversial executive order on immigration. The president has complained to at least one person about "how his people didn't give him good advice" on rolling out the travel ban and that he should have waited to sign it instead of "rushing it like they wanted me to." Trump has also wondered why he didn’t have a legal team in place to defend it from challenges.

edited 13th Feb '17 8:06:07 AM by sgamer82

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#174100: Feb 13th 2017 at 8:09:59 AM

What I find interesting about Trump's response to the EO is the point about the legal team. I don't feel like Trump is recognizing that he actually made any mistakes with the EO, but I also don't feel like he's that invested in it either. Instead, to him, this is about winning and losing.

He feels like he's losing. He blames his aides for giving him a loser EO to sign and he blames the absence of a legal team for why he's losing. I don't think he actually cares that much about getting the thing passed; as has been the case with many things about his Presidential campaign, he just wants to win for the sake of winning.

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