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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Well the older part of Generation Z is conservative and Trump might turn them off.
The last two thirds of Generation Z might turn out pretty liberal.
Also as of 2015, there were more minority babies under the age of 1 than white babies which would kinda give an even bigger advantage to the Democrat Party supposing they stay the course. Demographics is by no means king but it is influential.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
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Also, since the only source of "Gen Z's Politics is Conservative" that I see doesn't go much in depth on what "Conservatism" means to them, for all we know, they're just as "liberal" as Gen X and the Millenials, but since that's the "Norm" now, they're "Conservative" in that they're following the "Liberal" status quo.
Then again, I'm probably poorly educated on the subject, and they really are Conservative in the Reagan sense.
The problem I have with everyone's analysis is that, while Hilary Clinton is not a populist demagogue, she is even more of an oligarch than Trump is. A victory for her would have delayed and perhaps even avoided the lurch toward authoritarianism that we are seeing now, but she would have done nothing to halt the underlying socio-economic problems we are experiencing around the world.
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So, yeah, people aren't apathetic. Well, maybe they would be apathetic if the "Why aren't these guys in the Greens" wing kept insisting on ridiculous purity tests designed to admit people who have no interest in the system at all over those interested in reforming it from within.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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Gen Z tends more towards right-libertarianism than conservatism as we know of it, including the objection to feminism and other social justice causes that stems from that ideology due to supporting free speech (and belief that market forces will do enough to punish discriminatory employers that there's no need to involve the government) as an inviolable principle rather than a means to an end.
edited 9th Feb '17 8:03:32 PM by CaptainCapsase
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Well, that's just freakin' depressing.
But that is at least slightly uplifting! 
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I'm a Libertarian myself (of the Arizona, or Bleeding Heart, School), but I still find it depressing when people don't recognize others Rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, even within Libertarianism. It's partially why I'm so against Objectivism.
edited 9th Feb '17 8:13:40 PM by DingoWalley1
I find libertarians more agreeable than conventional conservatives (they aren't personally racist, and will support removing laws that are actively discriminatory when they're pointed out because they aren't really big on laws in the first place), so it's an improvement over the baby boomers at least.
There's a show going down in Utah at a town hall hosted by Rep. Chaffetz, head of the House Oversight and Government Reform comittee. Is so full of protesters that over a thousand people have to stand outside.
Is there any particular reason why they're more conservative-leaning?
Because the viewpoint that Capsase is describing is not dissimilar from many millenials I have met, but I think the endpoint of where one is no longer a millenial but a member of generation Z is also a good question if we're discussing this trend.
I'm at the tail end of the millennial generation, and if I had to guess it's because these people never knew Bush.
edited 9th Feb '17 8:07:27 PM by CaptainCapsase
A real bad hombre
Who are we qualifying as Generation Z for the purposes of this?
In my incredibly biased sample (do not take this as reliable evidence) my school trends very liberal, with more than a few people going out quite far to the left. The rest are either apathetic with a few conservatives, who generally seem to not be terrible. I'm sure there are a few alt-right types but they haven't really spoken up about it.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Gen Z is people born after 2000 I think.
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Well, libertarian ideology could be considered American Conservative in the sense that it calls for smaller and more limited government.
That said, the anarcho-capitalist set does not reassure me one bit. Or r/Libertarian.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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Generation Z has no specific start, but most people put their start in the early 2000's. So, I think we're talking about people born in 2001+, but that might just be me.
@Utah Town Hall: That's definitely uplifting!
The Objectivist Branches of Libertarianism would definitely fall under Conservatism, especially since most elected Libertarians are both Objectivist and Republican. The Majority of Libertarians who don't caucus Republican, however, tend to be too Liberal to be Republicans, especially Trump Republicans. Hell, even Objectivist Libertarian Republicans are having a hard time being Trump Republicans.
I personally don't like Anarchism, and have never been to r/Libertarianism, so I can't speak for either of those groups.
edited 9th Feb '17 8:21:17 PM by DingoWalley1
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Hmm. Well, I sit right on the border of Y and z then (I was born in 2000) but none of Gen Z can even vote yet. I am kind of worried that the prevalent memes going around (both parties are the same, the system is awful, various planks of the alt-right nonsense that would seem appealing to young straight white guys, not to dissimilar to myself, because they don't know about the reality of the world) are going to shape us to an obnoxious extent, though.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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House Oversight Committee to actually review Kellyanne Conway's Comment on Ivanka Trump's Products. Yes, really.
Wow! Today has been fantastic! She still won't get any punishment, but Congress is actually doing it's god damn job! And it's against a Trump ally!
edited 9th Feb '17 8:25:16 PM by DingoWalley1
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As far as I remember, we learned the same "both parties are the same/ the system is awful" speil in high school.
One difference was the world around us. Everyone mocked President Bush. No one was really happy about being stuck in SW Asia. Quite a few people tried to incorporate the perspective of people abroad. Talking about environmental preservation, aid to the poor, and expecting great lives in the city weren't taboo. (No one waned to retire to a farm or follow the "good old ways").
And most of my peers spoke of some public service they wanted to do. (Even if they hated "the government," there was a big emphasis on "meaningful work" for better or worse).
That changed significantly in college, but then experiencing the economy we inherited was just another thing that made Gen Y what it is...
edited 9th Feb '17 8:31:59 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Destroyer of Worlds
Good news! Trump loses again. He's on-board with the One China Policy now.
Trump doesn't know how to win. We won't teach him. Sad!
edited 9th Feb '17 8:31:55 PM by MadSkillz
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The other potential pick? George Conway. Yes, that surname should be familiar.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Those first couple points (both parties are the same, the system is awful) are common across all ages and political parties, and it is entirely possible that it will only get worse. It's those rising nationalist tendencies that I find even more concerning, especially if they're allowed to grow in a politically apathetic environment. Both factors are reasons why the Democrats need to get their act together before its too late.
Would that it were so simple.
I think we're judging Gen Z too soon. My generation, the born-in-1990 millennials, weren't vocally liberal until Iraq went south, the market crashed, and neoconservatism lost its appeal, and then Obama started running and the shift was sealed. Being of the left made me very much a minority, but by 2015, completely conventional relative to my peers. The casual homophobia, racism, and jingoism that were pretty much de rigeur for a teenager in 2004 was rightly viewed as offensive, but also passe in 2008, and completely unacceptable in 2016. The world was changing, the Internet threw open the curtains, and we grew it. They can grow up, too.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
In particular, it's hard for me to imagine the 'bigots are naturally silenced by the free market, so there's no need to actively work against them' idea surviving the Trump administration. Unless, of course, some gnarly propaganda stuff happens, but then all bets are off.
http://www.newsweek.com/putin-trump-lift-sanctions-or-ukraine-gets-it-554691
Well, then.
New Survey coming this weekend!
Oh, bother.
x6 This has me conflicted. On one hand, I have no love for the CCP and kind of wish that Taiwan could be recognized officially as a sovereign nation. On the other hand, I acknowledge why the One-China policy exists, and I also don't like Taiwan's current president. She's an idiot on the level of Trump with the approval ratings to show for it.
edited 9th Feb '17 8:42:39 PM by M84
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I would describe their worldview as closer to the alt-right's than ours but not nearly as malicious or reactionary.
I'm not sure how that is going to pan out though because people's views aren't really static over time. I myself used to have much more conservative views when I was younger. We're going to have to see what happens.