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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I'm too socially conservative to be a libertarian, at least on abortion and drugs (the former of which I'm practically a single issue wink on). Also too hawkish.
Democrats, I like their refugee and immigrant policy, and I think I like their economics are fairly good as well.
edited 9th Feb '17 2:26:09 PM by Protagonist506
Leviticus 19:34@Protagonist: I think Abortion is a banned topic on this board. So no big discussion about that. But, all drugs? I could never support those laws that put kids away for five years for some pot.
I could never be a Republican though. Since their social polices are so uniformly horrible, that they don't even have a single redeeming point in their causes. If what they believed actually happened gay marriage would have caused all of us to have to get gay married by now.
edited 9th Feb '17 2:32:36 PM by Wildcard
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You could always revive the whigs....
As for college politics, I did no tallies, but plenty of anecdotal evidence showed Hillary Support/Trump opposition.
A worrying number of law students treated this as just a normal election and went with their party. On the Public Administration student side, Trump support was zero, to the point that professors were giving advice on how to still provide for the common good, even stuck with this administration.
Of course support was mostly irrelevant on the undergraduate level, because those same students also talk about how "pointless" voting is....
edited 9th Feb '17 2:37:41 PM by CenturyEye
Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
They already exist
, but are literally a nothing party right now. Or we could make a different Whig Party.
At this point, I'd rather resurrect the Sans-Culottes, or at least create a real American Equivalent.
Trump has deleted the databases on animal mistreatment and is removing the regulations on animal food. That means it's not illegal for your dog or cat food to contain poison.
Even Hitler was kind to animals. Trump is Jumping Off the Slippery Slope with enthusiasm.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.I'll add that not one person in that video said anything about Donald. Just that they identify as Republican. One mentioned attending the inauguration but that's it.
There's a reason Wikipedia has "assume good faith" as one of it's major conduct rules. People made assumptions about who the people in the video were without knowing anything about them other than Republican. It's hard not to, especially when there's so much to be angry about, but the effort needs to be made (unless/until they demonstrate they are not speaking in good faith).
As much as we're on a war footing (figuratively speaking) right now, we really need to be careful not to become what we hate. We talk about party whips: that's how the Tea Party took over the Republicans. The danger of a Full-Circle Revolution is one we have to police ourselves against.
In my defense, pot specifically isn't specifically a drug I have a problem with-it's more the hard drugs like cocaine and what have you. I'm not specifically against the legalization of pot. Actually, choosing battles might be a wise idea.
The main things I find intolerable about Trump is that he's a draft dodger, he likes Russia, is easily intimidated by terrorism, and as a result of such denies freedom from people suffering under oppressive regimes. That is to say, he's the exact opposite of all that is 'Murica.
Leviticus 19:34[Insert half-assed joke about kicking dogs here.]
This reality is getting cartoonier by the day.
Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.White House "counselled" Kellyanne Conway over Ethics Violation
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Yeah, expecting Conway's head on a pike over this was probably too much to ask, but considering the White House did something about it shows that they knew they messed up here.
This Administration is starting to get sloppy and paranoid.
@Elle: Nope again, they mentioned some policies they support and some mentioned they support Trump. Plus you'll notice I did say some of things they mentioned were actual bullying. But, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to be their friend or saying things they don't like. That's life, and if they want everyone else to toughen up they better get used to it.
You might have a point if they EVER stopped whining about "persecution" when they don't have complete and total control.
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I've never heard of a Democrat being in favor of legalizing cocaine. It's really only marijuana that seems to be the sticking point.
@Not all Republicans are Trump supporters: While that may be true they still choose to self identify as Republican. Even before Trump the party was pretty reprehensible.
edited 9th Feb '17 2:50:20 PM by Kostya
@Prota: You, sir, are a Murrican I can respect. I have no hatred towards Republicans who have integrity, pride, and honor. I also don't hate hawks that are intelligent and discriminate in their use of violence, or the threat thereof.
But yeah, leave the GOP. They aren't fiscal or religious conservatives. They're an affinity fraud.
edited 9th Feb '17 2:55:03 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.We're talking about 18-22 year old age demographics here. They may be legally adults but they're still young enough to not have had much time to really understand what their political identity entails. (I know I didn't at that age.) Save that scorn of "republicans whining when they're not in power" for the actual politicians.
Incidentally, I also think one of the biggest problems is convincing people on the fence "this is not normal, this is really dangerous." For people of older demographics, add "the party you thought you subscribed to is not the party that exists anymore".
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That's my position when it comes to Drugs, as well as the fact that, as the end of Prohibition shows, the minute an Illegal Commodity becomes Legal, the Violence related to said Commodity decreases dramatically, and those who profit off said Commodity and Violence stop being Violent, or end up in Jail. Also, the increase in Economic Productivity, but that's a distant Number 3 Reason (as well as a debatable one with Automation increasing in nearly every job sector).
edited 9th Feb '17 3:05:53 PM by DingoWalley1
The core problem with the GOP as it was shortly before Trump (and even moreso after it) was that they weren't really a conservative party so much as a reactionary party. Viper Magnum has argued that they were one far before then, even.
And being a reactionary party, they cannot tolerate the idea that America can or should be any different than their specific vision, so rather than living in practical facts, accepting that things change and trying to reach a reasonable compromise (as a proper conservative would), they instead seek to veto it at all costs because an America that isn't their America isn't worth living in.
And so here we are.
edited 9th Feb '17 3:07:15 PM by Draghinazzo
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They can't imagine an America that they cannot look down on others.
Your gonna have to be more convincing then rlthat Elle. I disagreed 28th my family about politics. If they expect others to know exactly what they do at 18 or "join the army" then they better not be hypocrite and complain about their minor problems. Besides we've been shown again that extending olive branches doesn't work when it comes to political problems. LGBT people only one marriage through fighting and calling out the asshats for what they werre.That's what we have to do now.
9th Circuit Court UNANIMOUSLY upholds the Suspension of Trump's Travel Ban EO
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Now it'll have to go to the Supreme Court, because there is no way Baby J. won't try to get it back.
Trump win aside, Georgia Republican Party finances continue to slide
By contrast, the state Democratic Party, which has won few if any big races in recent years, reported having $267,000 banked.
Election victors are usually in the pole position to refill their campaign coffers after the votes. And Georgia Republicans have had a string of successes, sweeping every statewide office in 2010 and 2014, cementing U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson’s victory and delivering Trump a 5-point win in November.
And yet the party’s financial fortunes have fallen since 2010, when it had about $2 million in the bank. And while the bank account has recovered slightly from a nadir of just $11,403 in December 2015, some Republican officials are raising sharp questions.
Republicans can afford debt in GA. (Even democrats run on "A Conservative Solution for GA" here).
That said, to any aspiring campaign managers, I give an open invitation. I can promise you great challenges in a strange land. No dragons though... Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Party whips may have been around a long time but they have not always been in an atmosphere so fixated on ideological purity as the one we have now. Ten years ago a West Virginia Democrat with some conservative positions would not be a problem. Ten years ago a moderate Republican with some progressive views could get elected in a red state.
Breaking (for real this time): 9th Circuit Denies stay on immigration EO oveturn
edited 9th Feb '17 3:30:26 PM by Elle
What.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

@Cap: Then it's already too late and has been for the last eight or more years. One party already displays strong, consistent party discipline and has done so ever since Barrack Obama took office, though it's been showing signs of it since at least Newt Gingrich. The only reason that there isn't currently major executive-legislative gridlock is because they're both controlled by the same party. Indeed, the lack of real friction between the executive and legislative seems even worse than the presence of it because now it's basically all just each branch rubber-stamping the other's regressive agenda.
Based on your assumption that presidential democracy is inherently weaker than parliamentary democracy (never mind how that has also demonstrated its ability to turn to dictatorship and is currently making plenty of problems of its own right now in the UK) and cannot withstand strong party discipline, American democracy is a lost cause.
Since giving up is not an option, we have to assume that presidential democracy can survive the introduction of party discipline or eventually put an end to it, because the alternative is surrender.