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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#173276: Feb 8th 2017 at 10:59:51 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Think about it, while I get that some people can feel down, feeling the worst to come will affect their mindsets and eventually causing the things they feared to happen because they led their fears take the best of them and feel nothing they can do is worth doing for and that fear and defeat is the only path they should take. This is way fatal for many groups that fight for the best values of Humanity, but if people start thinking overly-negative of what to do against a government, then it means defeat because they believed they're now powerless to do so without knowing there was a way to stop them.

For now on...I'll try in being more rational in my arguments but at the same time, the tropers in the US must contribute to the possible salvation of the nation in many ways and never stop fighting at all, no matter what's thrown at them.

edited 8th Feb '17 11:00:08 AM by Luigisan98

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#173277: Feb 8th 2017 at 11:00:37 AM

I'm not completely read up on the details of that proposed tax, but it seems like a good step in the right direction, and something that actually has a decent chance of getting support from both parties.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#173278: Feb 8th 2017 at 11:07:44 AM

Honestly, no matter what the tax is like, the mere fact that conservatives are saying 'hey, we should really do something about this whole climate change thing' is a big step in the right direction.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#173279: Feb 8th 2017 at 11:17:20 AM

It means they finally realized that global warming will mean Russia becomes the big dog while all of us are clawing our way north of the Mason Dixon line and bursting out into Canada for what new famrland is there that doesn't get drowned by the ocean.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#173280: Feb 8th 2017 at 11:37:32 AM

[up] Yeah, Russia has a great deal less to lose than other major countries in regards to global warming, which is probably why they're fairly indifferent towards the whole thing.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#173282: Feb 8th 2017 at 1:29:27 PM

luigisan: it feel weird you talk about thing not being worst considering you are a fellow venezuelan like me and should now that yes, thing CAN get worst as our on country show it(in fact for the US troper here, if you want to picture venezuela, imagine trump regine that somehow last 18 FUCKING YEARS!) so I can understand the worry of some people here.

but THAT being said I thing some people understimated the response people and some dems have show, the trump administration are having a hard time and trump flaw are showing, THIS is important because it stop things from normalizing which it what dooms us, so I will said to those troper that things could be worst now and the reason it isnt is because people are resisting.

"They also just really hate "liberals" and the Democratic party unconditionally, is what Trump's win tells me, and they especially hated Hillary so here we are. "

if you ask me, I think the problem is republican have convince themselves their party is the only valid expression of democracy, thing are legit when they are in power because they feel like it, this self justification give them a HUGE amount of moral dissonance, at least that is my experience with authoritarian party like my on here.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#173283: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:01:48 PM

[up][up]Really, that was an entirely predictable consequence of doing that. Makes me wonder why he bothered. It's not like she was going to stop Sessions from being confirmed, and if she was, this certainly isn't going to nullify the effect she would've had.

It's pretty clear political mis-step on McConnell's part, is what I'm saying.

edited 8th Feb '17 2:01:58 PM by Gilphon

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173284: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:10:28 PM

The panel on Morning Joe (minus Mika) seemed convinced it's a deliberate move to make Warren, who they do not believe will play well outside the Democratic base, the face of the opposition to Sessions, etc. Take that with a grain of salt, obviously.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#173285: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:29:04 PM

What has McConnell ever done?

Do not obey in advance.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#173286: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:30:44 PM

He's scum. Here, let me say it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#173287: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:35:03 PM

Trump administration seen as more truthful than news media: poll

he Trump administration is more trusted than the news media among voters, according to a new Emerson College poll.

The administration is considered truthful by 49 percent of registered voters and untruthful by 48 percent.

But the news media is less trusted than the administration, with 53 percent calling it untruthful and just 39 percent finding it honest.

The numbers split along party lines, with nearly 9 in 10 Republicans saying the Trump administration is truthful, compared with more than 3 in 4 Democrats who say the opposite.

The Emerson poll found that 69 percent of Democrats think the news media is truthful while 91 percent of Republicans consider the Fourth Estate untruthful.

Independents, meanwhile, believe both the administration and the news media are untruthful, with 52 percent saying the administration is untruthful and 47 percent saying the same about the media.

The poll echoes Gallup's annual poll on the public's trust in media, which showed before the election that 32 percent of Americans trusted the institution, including just 14 percent of Republicans.

The poll was conducted Feb. 5-6 with a sample of 617 registered voters and a margin of error of 3.9 percentage points.

Yup. Our country needs a reset button.

New Survey coming this weekend!
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#173288: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:41:55 PM

Well, to be fair, Trump has cultivated an image of saying whatever he happens to be thinking, with few filters. That could translate to "honest" for some people. And no one really trusts the infotainment industry anymore.

Thing is, you dont have to think someone is dishonest to be against what they say.

edited 8th Feb '17 2:46:12 PM by DeMarquis

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#173289: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:04:53 PM

I understand that this might not be the right thread, but I thought it'd be interesting if we had a thread where we tried to create a constitution for our own hypothetical nation.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#173290: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:05:53 PM

[up][up][up] 49% of registered voters need to be quarantined and put through an intensive re-education program before being allowed to re-enter society.

edited 8th Feb '17 3:06:02 PM by Reflextion

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#173291: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:06:45 PM

[up][up][up][up] The important thing is that Independents trust the Media more then they trust Trump, at least. They're absolutely necessary in taking out Trump and the Republicans for the next 3 years.

edited 8th Feb '17 3:07:56 PM by DingoWalley1

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#173292: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:10:14 PM

~Link To The Future: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=djq0e46i6s3ccbcr5itgd5d6&page=1 and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13068965770A55960100&page=1 may be threads to use for this.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#173293: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:18:11 PM

Neil Gorsuch, Trump's SC nominee, condemns Trump's statements on Judiciary.

As much as we may not like the Nominee, he at least doesn't appear to be a Trump puppet, which is a good thing for the Courts.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#173294: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:19:06 PM

What has Mc Connell ever done?

Mitch McConnell is the worst of the worst. Over the last six years, name anything terrible the GOP has done, McConnell was behind it. Government shutdown? Mitch McConnell. Campaign of obstruction? That was his entire mission statement, after first making a promise from 2008 to make Obama a one-term President. Blocking Judge Garland? McConnell was the ringleader.

He even seems to have taken Trump as a challenge to his position as shittiest Republican and responded by talking him out of ordering a dismantling of the Electoral College in a fit of jealous rage regarding Hillary's popular vote. Because Trump is a whining man-baby but Mitch McConnell is pure f*cking evil.

edited 8th Feb '17 3:21:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173295: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:22:50 PM

Right-wing media, it should be noted, is thrilled with what McConnel did to Warren and are boasting about how she got "Mitch Slapped".

edited 8th Feb '17 3:23:00 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#173296: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:22:58 PM

Well, at least Mitch failed at preventing Obama's second term. /smug

I remember how smug he was when he said that.

What will it take to get these people out of our lives? Peacefully, that is.

Do not obey in advance.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#173297: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:34:25 PM

@Beary Scary: hardcore campaigning, protesting, and voting against their agenda. Basically things that are already being done, but they frequently take a long time to have the desired effect.

@Ambar: The near constant moaning of pessimistic defeat gets even more tiring, particularly when accompanied with unrealistic statements of "never going to happen again within our lifetimes" with little to back that up. This has been happening a lot in this thread the past few months and sometimes it makes this thread near impossible to read or participate in. Optimism may be annoying, but constant pessimism is fucking exhausting.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#173298: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:37:06 PM

More about the 'Trump trusted more than the media' poll. There's a link to the raw data; they only questioned 617 people. Still concerning, but I'm not lamenting the death of Western Civilization just yet. More of their respondents were Clinton voters than Trump voters. They also polled on various Trump appointees - DeVos and Bannon aren't highly thought of, but there's overwhelming support for Gorusch. The whole file is fascinating.

(technical question, how do you fix De Vos so it doesn't bluelink? edit: thanks Tropes!)

edited 8th Feb '17 3:57:05 PM by Pseudopartition

TropesForever God forbid women do anything from wait where is she Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
God forbid women do anything
#173299: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:40:47 PM

Like this:

[=DeVos=]

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173300: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:43:25 PM

[up][up][up]I have no problem with optimism. I have a massive problem with "nothing bad can happen here" and/or demanding that those who do not share your outlook must, which was the tenor of the post(s) I was responding to. If we don't acknowledge that Trump and his cohorts have a real chance of succeeding at pushing their illiberal agenda, than we cannot fight them. I concur that being fatalistic and assuming all is lost is bad, but so too is declaring that there's nothing to be upset about and that the US is somehow intrinsically capable of surviving his rule.

There's a happy medium somewhere between fatalistic depression and unrealistic optimism and we most definitely need to find it. But I don't think that demanding others change their outlook, as some people on both sides of the conversation have been doing is going to help. One thing that will help, and which I said in that post and will repeat here, is to talk about why we feel the way we do. Feeling depressed and like everything is coming to an end? At least tell us why so we can try and look at how right you are and suggest possible solutions. Feeling optimistic and convinced things are going to work out? Tell us why so we may share in that outlook.

To make a long post short we need to get past just sharing our feelings and explain why we are feeling that way. Otherwise I don't think the conversation is going to be very productive.

edited 8th Feb '17 3:44:21 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar


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