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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#173201: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:06:06 PM

Question: Earlier someone said Warren had been blocked from speaking about Sessions for quoting the letter that got him barred from being a Federal Judge. But the linked tweet earlier listing the people who voted for that only had 49 names on it. Does that mean it failed? Or was the number for majority lower due to absences or something?

EDIT: Found it. Looks like it was 49/43

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/07/republicans-vote-to-rebuke-elizabeth-warren-for-impugning-sessionss-character/?utm_term=.d98fc9aafb4c

edited 7th Feb '17 10:07:47 PM by sgamer82

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#173202: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:08:04 PM

It succeeded. They don't need an full majority, just a majority vote.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#173203: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:08:11 PM

@Krieger: You are asserting essentially that 30 years of stagnant wage growth has not had any significant political effect. That is a far more radical position than mine (both racism and economic issues are important), and thus requires far more than a single study to gain my support.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#173204: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:12:48 PM

With all due respect, read the damned study. That's merely a supplement I'm quoting.

Marco Rubio received almost $100K from the family of Betsy DeVos before confirming her.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#173205: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:15:33 PM

[up] it's in fact not even a study, it's a fucking reddit post. Find something peer reviewed (and establish an expert consensus rather than a single study that drew the conclusion that fits your particular ideology's dogma) or you're essentially doing the exact same thing that /pol/ and r/the_donald typically does to "prove" it's points.

edited 7th Feb '17 10:18:06 PM by CaptainCapsase

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#173206: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:24:32 PM

@Altering the Constitution: Keep in mind that so far, the only thing anyone has expressed any interest in actually changing about the constitution is adding in amendments for a more balanced budget. That's it. And both Republican and Democratic states have been trying to get on this for a while now, long before Trump came into power. Mind you, that doesn't the mean the current GOP won't try to take advantage of the situation and turn the USA into Mordor, but at this point, there isn't as much of a chance of that as you might think, since the GOP isn't the only deciding factor here. And if they did turn the USA into Mordor, you can bet that we'd be having Civil War II posthaste. I'm pretty damn sure the GOP have still held onto their self-preservation instincts if nothing else, so even if they could do something that straight up evil, I'm not sure if they really would, as much as they may want to.

edited 7th Feb '17 10:25:09 PM by kkhohoho

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#173207: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:30:22 PM

I'm pretty sure Kansas tried that "balanced budget" thing itself, and the last I heard it was a colossal fuck up.

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#173209: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:33:57 PM

That's them shooting themselves in the foot, though. You massively cut taxes and suddenly there's less revenue. It's what happens when your ideology runs up against economic reality.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#173210: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:34:02 PM

Bad Economics on the effects of deportation of illegal laborers on the US economy.

Spoilers: It's not good

edited 7th Feb '17 10:37:14 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#173211: Feb 7th 2017 at 10:51:08 PM

[up]

No shit, sherlock. Seriously, all the Federal government had to do was ask Georgia how well its crackdown on illegal immigrants went.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#173212: Feb 7th 2017 at 11:21:11 PM

This is why I wonder why people rail against immigrants when they are willing to do work that said complainants are not.

I've wondered for a long time now why more Americans don't want to do this kind of work. It's a vicious cycle. Some Americans don't want to do the work -> Illegals do the work -> Said Americans deport said illegals -> Now there aren't enough skilled people to do those jobs.

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#173213: Feb 7th 2017 at 11:44:58 PM

[up] Never underestimate the power of scapegoating and xenophobia/bigotry.

It also helps that most people don't really have any idea how the economy actually works. The USA would be totally fucked without cheap labor, whether it be from undocumented migrant workers or overseas.

edited 7th Feb '17 11:47:23 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#173214: Feb 7th 2017 at 11:50:22 PM

People do love to pass the buck for their own lives and responsibilities.

I'm Not So Different, but I try not to use that kind of thinking as a crutch.

edited 7th Feb '17 11:52:59 PM by BearyScary

Do not obey in advance.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#173215: Feb 7th 2017 at 11:59:04 PM

[up] I'm not the most responsible person either. I do at least make a point of not blaming people even less fortunate than myself for my problems.

edited 7th Feb '17 11:59:35 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#173216: Feb 8th 2017 at 2:42:27 AM

[up] I wonder when the economy starts falling apart in the US, could the GOP regain sanity or become more insane and reject everything around them that don't fit their views and adore only Trump despite him driving the country apart?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#173217: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:42:37 AM

Americans do want to do that work. Often hiring businesses just don't tell them about it or find creative ways to disqualify them. All You Americans are Fired did a study on this.

That said, immigrant contribution to the economy is hardly just or even mostly cheap labor. Immigrants tend to be risk-taking people—as you'd expect from people who've crossed picked up and effectively changed worlds—and start new businesses at a much greater rate than native-born citizens.
And the USA—Pre-Trump—had an uncanny ability to attract scientists, IT experts, and other skilled labor from abroad.

Also, yeah...Atlanta has to compensate hard to be as much a part of the world economy as it is being in Georgia.

edited 8th Feb '17 3:43:40 AM by CenturyEye

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#173218: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:44:44 AM

[up] Nice to hear that...in a way.

But, how these foreigners gonna fare under Trump? Are jobs gonna be reduced?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#173219: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:53:14 AM

About that constitutional convention thingy; proposed amendments there need 3/4 of all states. I am not certain what the decision process would be, but if memory serves the number of states where Republicans don't hold full control of the legislature (Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Delaware, Illinois, Minnesota, Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washingon, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, possibly Virginia) is 16-17, and 16/50 is larger than 1/4; i.e they don't have sufficient legislative control to push through stuff indiscriminately.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#173220: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:58:58 AM

how's everyone doing this fine morning?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#173221: Feb 8th 2017 at 3:59:06 AM

[up][up][up] White foreigners are probably gonna be okay. At least until Trump and Bannon done with the ones who aren't white.

edited 8th Feb '17 3:59:14 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#173222: Feb 8th 2017 at 4:04:20 AM

[up] Part of my family who lives in Florida say they're fine...so, you mean white foreigners and other foreigners who have enough people to support.

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CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#173223: Feb 8th 2017 at 4:06:42 AM

The recent immigration ban spared no one; though probably because they couldn't find a legal way to add "except white persons."

It's not just job reduction, the USA will be cut off from global research and set back years. (Even if Trump is overthrown and Trumpism resigned to history tomorrow, the USA has already changed in the measure of the world as a good place for intellectual freedom and civic freedom that attracts researchers, scholars, and the like). Although, things'll keep being invented and studies published...from Canada.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#173224: Feb 8th 2017 at 4:08:28 AM

[up] Who can you be so sure of that?

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#173225: Feb 8th 2017 at 4:11:31 AM

Well, I've heard that my university in Switzerland is trying to pry off researchers from the US under the assumption that Trump will renders the States less attractive.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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