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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#173151: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:53:02 PM

Tulsi Gabbard visited Syria secretly and met with Assad.

Logan Act violations asides, she is now spouting apologism for the minds that brought you this.

Un. Fucking. Acceptable.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#173152: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:54:57 PM

So Senator Warren read Lorretta King's original letter objecting to Sessions back in the 80s and has now been officially disallowed from speaking so long as the subject is Jeff Sessions.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#173153: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:55:23 PM

[up][up] Is it a Logan act violation if she's an actual US government official though?

edited 7th Feb '17 6:55:32 PM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#173154: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:56:26 PM

I mean, people like Gabbard (note: she also has a history on LGBT rights that can be called mixed if you are being very charitable) and aforementioned Senator should be targeted with primaries when possible. But if its between them and a Republican....

Well, I don't know if I could bring myself to vote for an Assad apologist, I do have limits to my pragmatism.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#173155: Feb 7th 2017 at 6:58:09 PM

[up][up]She is a senator, not an official - I doubt it is retroactive.

And no one is at least willing to admit that they knew of the trip.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#173156: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:00:51 PM

On a different note, did anyone else bother to watch the debate between Sanders and Cruz?

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173157: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:01:27 PM

@De Marquis

As was stated above, Gabbard is a stooge of Assad and dismissed all those fighting against him as "terrorists". She's also a grifter and con-artist with a history of homophobic activism and whose staff still includes many of the people who worked for her and her father on said homophobic campaigns despite her supposed conversion. Steve Bannon regards her as someone he and Trump can work with, and a meeting between her and orangutan-in-chief was arranged soon after he took office.

But she endorsed Sanders so the same "radical leftists" who accused Clinton and even Obama of being DINOs and sellouts regard her as a progressive champion.

@rationalinsanity

She's from Hawaii. There's a decent chance that her next Republican opponent will manage to be a better person than she is, given how liberal leaning the state as a whole skews.

And let's face it—if we're going to nail Trump for defending Putin we have to hold her accountable for her Assad worship.

edited 7th Feb '17 7:06:20 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#173158: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:07:15 PM

Hawaii is a blue as the Pacific, so maybe the best option is to primary her? Of course, if the Sanders wing takes a liking to her...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#173159: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:19:37 PM

@Tulsi 'I love Assad' Gabbard: Sooner or later, Gabbard will get put in a position where she has to directly defend some of Trump's more odious policies without an escape hatch, and that should be it for her one way or another; either getting formally denounced by the DNC or simply slipping on the Republican jacket she had stashed away and being exactly who she has always been, only now unapologetically. The only reason she has evaded this long is being a representative, so 1. she is not part of the confirmations, and 2. with such a huge lead in the House the GOP has had no cause to get her to flip. That will not last forever.

edited 7th Feb '17 7:29:35 PM by ViperMagnum357

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173160: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:23:44 PM

My biggest concern with her is that in endorsing Sanders she convinced a lot of the wannabe revolutionaries that she's a True Progressive and an enemy of the oh-so corrupt establishment. I hope the scales will fall from their eyes eventually, but I'm not really expecting it.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#173161: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:24:41 PM

The hypocrisy from some of the Bernie or Bust types is mind boggling. Clinton's not progressive enough for them, but Gabbard is? Of course, these are also the same people who think that a Republican controlled White House is somehow better for everything their chosen candidate stands for than a Clinton White House would be.

I'm so tired.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#173162: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:24:51 PM

Potemkin village syndrome? There is, unfortunately, a long history of left-wingers who become seduced by authoritarian regimes. That said, we should judge her, and everyone else in Congress, on their voting record.

edited 7th Feb '17 7:27:56 PM by DeMarquis

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#173163: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:26:52 PM

@Viper Magnum 357: Or, c) Because she's a populist hack, she'll simply start denouncing Trump, the Republicans, Assad and Putin when it best benefits her, and she can claim that her previous positions were wrong and that she's changed.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173164: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:33:31 PM

[up][up][up]It's especially galling when you consider that they insisted Clinton was "pretending" to evolve on gay rights...yet accept that Gabbard, who actively worked to deny gays rights, has changed.

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#173165: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:35:46 PM

From what I've seen, depending on the individual, support for Gabbard can stem from just one issue:

Gabbard was at Standing Rock.

Clinton was not.

Should it be that simple? I certainly don't think so. I personally can't stand single-issue voters (due to my exposure to the pro-life crowd, who will condone absolutely anything as long as you oppose abortion). But I know what country we live in, and it's one where they may not even care about an issue at all.

edited 7th Feb '17 7:38:09 PM by Eschaton

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173166: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:43:36 PM

I will never understand thinking like that. You can give her credit for going to Standing Rock (for what good it accomplished) while still condemning all the other garbage she's done.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#173167: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:44:35 PM

Jill Stein is blaming "corporatist" Democrats for DeVos' confirmation.

Yes, really.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#173168: Feb 7th 2017 at 7:47:57 PM

Someone linked that a few pages back. It's insane. But hardly surprising given what a whacko Stein is.

edited 7th Feb '17 7:53:22 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#173169: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:09:35 PM

OTOH the twitter sample indicates that plenty of others did notice that Stein is full of it.

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#173170: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:14:15 PM

Serves me for not paying attention. I'd read all the posts up to this point, including that one that mistakenly thought there was a vote on De Vos when it was really just the Filibuster (even read the correction and the after-posts about how all Dems voted against her) and spaced on everything after the mistaken claim Manchin had okayed De Vos.

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#173172: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:18:42 PM

The one good thing about De Vos is that the Democrats were united against her. Tomorrow, I'm calling to thank my senators, and that I hope they keep up the fight.

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Asgore Adopts Noelle
#173173: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:37:00 PM

40% of Americans want Trump impeached, up from 35% the previous week. Only 48% would be outright against an impeachment.

At this rate, Trump is guaranteeing a One-Term Presidency, if not an impeachment when the Dem's get the Senate (whenever that happens, hopefully in 2 years).

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#173174: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:37:08 PM

You think senators will benefit any from out-of-state support?
I can't actually thank Isakson and Purdue for standing tall and proudly ignoring thousands of constituent calls begging them not vote De Vos in.

Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#173175: Feb 7th 2017 at 8:46:02 PM

I read that the phone operators will basically ignore you if you say you're out of state (and they ask for your zip code), Email would be ok for a "thank you", it leaves room on the phone lines for people calling about more current things.

edited 7th Feb '17 8:47:13 PM by Elle


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