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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
The Democrats are on the left as far as the American Overton Window is concerned. They are at the center or slightly left of center if you used a central European one, though. Maybe on the right if you were in Scandinavia or I don't know, the former USSR?
Which has resulted in a lot of morons with an Internet connection in the US with Babby's First Socialist Classes demanding to know why they are voting for a right winger anyway, or joining the Democrats, taking said classes and then flinging shit because anyone to the right of Marx is late stage capitalist scum these days.
edited 7th Feb '17 5:34:06 PM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot![]()
Shouldn't "right" and "center" be reversed in that last sentence?
edited 7th Feb '17 5:34:56 PM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!All things considered, the democrats are devoutly centrist, and have been since the 70s at least. The GOP went off the deep end at the start of the Reagan era, and has only been getting worse since then.
It is looking like, however, that they may be moving left in response to Trump and disillusionment within their own core voting blocs. Which is what I was hoping would happen in response to this eventuality. My fear was that democrats would try to cut a deal with Trump to keep the left contained, as was the fatal mistake of the center in Weimar Germany.
edited 7th Feb '17 5:37:53 PM by CaptainCapsase
x7 I am pretty sure you could class the Black Panthers and any other racially based hate group as Far Right as well.
Automation is a wrinkle. I think the 20th century mostly happened because technology outpaced corporate control. No matter what, the late 20th and early 21st centuries' way of life was untenable. One of two things are going to happen: 1. Either the corporations are going to tighten the noose, replace us workers, and find it necessary to either liquidate/transplant us to other worlds, or 2. We'll win the class war and see mandatory work slacken off. There'll still be jobs needed, it's just a matter of finding a system to incentivize those jobs. In due time I favor a system where each person has their baseline medical needs met and then has to do something productive for the luxuries they don't need but would be better off having.
I'm conservative. I don't expect either of those in my lifetime. I know they're coming. They have to unless the new Far Right leaning overbalances itself and sends us into a second set of Medieval ages. Which I doubt will happen too. We'll just see drastic changes.
edited 7th Feb '17 5:40:41 PM by Journeyman
Yeah, The Beaverton is essentially Canada's version of The Onion. Other highlights from today include: We asked some Australians to try these classic Canadian snack foods and they died, they all died
So, all of Trump's nominations got confirmed, right? Well, that ended up being pointless. And now I have even less confidence in Bannon getting kicked from the NSC. Still, thanks everybody who called/emailed/talked to people and tried to get some Republicans to flip, you did the best you could.
edited 7th Feb '17 5:42:28 PM by Pseudopartition
I already knew it was a long shot because my own Republican senator told me outright it was tradition that the President gets to pick their cabinet and the confirmation is treated as a formality. I am annoyed and not going to vote for Manchin ever again because he turned traitor, but not much else to do about that.
Fact is, I'm honestly waiting for them to rig an election and come right out to say, "We don't need your votes. Bow down to your new King or we will, quite frankly, replace most of you with machines and kill off what we don't need. Welcome to the new age. Step in line or get stepped on peasant filth."
The thing about hardcore leftists accusing Democrat politicians like Hillary Clinton of being secret/functional right-wingers is that the self-identified right has no such scruples about who does or doesn't truly represent their "values" and never fail to vote for the Republican candidate. When leftists stay home on election day because "There are no real leftists in American politics" or whatever, they open the door to far-right, quasi-fascist scumbags like Trump and his posse.
In support of De Vos's brave anti-grizzly agenda, GA decides to help college students sleep easier... Campus gun bill returns to Georgia House
Deal vetoed a similar bill in 2016, after he asked House and Senate leaders to specifically exempt on-campus child care facilities, faculty or administrative office space and disciplinary meetings. Lawmakers refused...
To those who live in California, how does it feel to be proud of your state? Look with century eyes... With our backs to the arch And the wreck of our kind We will stare straight ahead For the rest of our lives
I suspect most of us would say we're feeling golden.
Labels are irrelevent. You're either in favor of national policies which benefit Americans as a whole, or you favor your own faction. That's the battle of our age.
As for Trump's cabinet, it was never about winning today. It was about organizing ourselves today, and winning in 2018.
edited 7th Feb '17 6:07:44 PM by DeMarquis
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Wikipedia has a list.[1]
As for Manchin, what did he do? My understanding is that he still voted against, he just gave way on the filibuster stuff that wasn't gonna work anyway. Plus we can't exactly afford to throw him out, his seat is gonna be needed.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranI mean, an unreliable Democrat is better than a Republican.
That's one thing the idealists and leftists (and the centrists, neo-liberals, etc, if the Democrats do shift to the left) need to get used to, strategic voting. In a two party, FTTP system...you are best off picking the least bad option or voting against something rather than for it. Republicans do it all the time, and its given them near unparalleled control over the US.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.![]()
"Giving Gorsuch a chance". When do/did they vote on him?
I have to keep reminding myself these days that the subtitle for Rules for Radicals is A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals Any place taking bets on whether the "Justice Democrats" are trying to pretend that subtitle doesn’t exist?
Yeah while he's anti-choice, anti-LGBT and anti-the environment he's still a much needed Dem vote on a lot of other things, welfare, gun background checks (despite being an NRA member), Voting Rights, and any number of other things.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

I mean, as automation and artificial intelligence improve, I think it's fair to ask how much "work" is actually even necessary for humans to do.
The center and even right might have more of a sound point to me if technology stayed stagnant.
edited 7th Feb '17 5:35:41 PM by unnoun