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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#172651: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:09:59 AM

if Milo has the right to speak, people have the right to protest him doing so, and the university has the right to decide whether they want his business or to remain in the good graces of the protestors.
This. Protests against a speaker are not an example of denying free speech. It's fighting free speech with free speech. Resorting to violence like the antifa people is a different matter, but distinctions can and should be made between that group and the rest of the protestors.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#172652: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:15:52 AM

@Angelus: Non-violent resistance can and does work even against those willing to use violence. You just have to remain committed to it, and carry out civil disobedience and protest in a way which is harmful to the economic interests of the opposing parties rather than simply symbolic.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#172653: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:26:15 AM

I'd say we should only start being violent without giving a fuck is if (when?) Trump starts to do internment camps or a legitimate no shit registry of Muslims and other marginalized groups.

Until then, more Women's Marche's please.

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#172654: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:31:53 AM

[up]More Women Marches and more turnout in midterms, special elections and local elections.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#172655: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:34:09 AM

Eh. DC will burn to the ground before we allow another Japanese internment.

I'm more worried about how he's fucking up 80 years worth of foreign policy.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#172656: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:37:00 AM

If Milo actually incites violence against students in his speeches, then that goes further than simple free speech and makes him a danger to the community, and the university is right to bar him from speaking.

I do not however support the violence of the antifas protesters.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:39:07 AM by Draghinazzo

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#172657: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:55:14 AM

With Milo the fact that he hasn't be arrested for inciting violence against people is a daming statement about the US legal system. Honestly I could understand if the Black Block stormed the stage when Milo started insightign violence against individuals, but just smashing up stuff randomly beforehand, not a fan.

edited 5th Feb '17 10:55:59 AM by Silasw

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#172658: Feb 5th 2017 at 10:57:31 AM

Okay, I gotta ask; who the heck is Milo? Because I have no clue just who we're talking about here.

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#172659: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:02:25 AM

Okay, I gotta ask; who the heck is Milo? Because I have no clue just who we're talking about here.

[up]A gay Jewish misogynistic Nazi troll with a sizable nazi/alt-right following online. His claim to fame is his hobby of singling out targets and setting loose his horde of idiots to stalk and harass them into silence.

edited 5th Feb '17 11:03:50 AM by carbon-mantis

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#172660: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:03:42 AM

Or just another asshole in our way of progress.

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#172661: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:04:12 AM

Breitbart "journalist" who's the main "hey, I'm not homophobic/antisemitic, this is my gay/jewish friend" for the alt-right, he was first thrown into the spotlight with gamergate (I'm assuming it's ok to just name it as a detail when talking about something else, if it's not tell me and I'll remove this part of the comment).

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#172662: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:07:34 AM

Milo Yiannopoulos. He's an editor at Breitbart, as well a white supremacist and professional alt-right troll.

[nja]

edited 5th Feb '17 11:08:09 AM by higherbrainpattern

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#172663: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:14:20 AM

New Documents Show Trump Retains Direct Tie to Businesses Raise your hand if you're surprised by this.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#172664: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:42:28 AM

Non-violent resistance can and does work even against those willing to use violence. You just have to remain committed to it, and carry out civil disobedience and protest in a way which is harmful to the economic interests of the opposing parties rather than simply symbolic.

Nope.

Non-violence doesn't work when one side is rolling tanks and machineguns on the protesters.

The Nazis beat or killed every single one that was a threat to their power to submission or death, the Arab spring protests in Syria and Libya were peaceful until the government decided to bomb and shoot them in response, Tienanmen Square massacre was peaceful until the PRC rolled tanks on the protesters.

Tear gas and water cannon are crow control, violence but the less lethal kind, what I mean for non-violence not working is when you have a protest and the other side has guns, the side with the guns simply decides to shoot the protesters.

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Imca (Veteran)
#172665: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:45:30 AM

GUYS!

If you want to do something other then just complaining about the current regime.....

The Senate Committee on Homeland Security is taking calls about Bannon's appointment to the NSC. You can call: 202-224-4751 and tell them YOU DONT WANT HIM.

remember in 2013, Stephen Bannon, current Chief Strategist of the White House, stated he was a Leninist to a journalist. When questioned on what he meant, his verbatim response was; "Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that's my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today's establishment."

you can use that against him here

If they get enough calls they will know people actualy give a damn

RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
God-Mayor of Sim-Kind
#172666: Feb 5th 2017 at 11:51:27 AM

While that's certainly helpful, but that's an long distance call for me.

And speaking of protesting, I wonder how many times people have gathered near the White House because of Trump's Executive Orders?

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Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#172667: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:06:57 PM

Some articles I came across today that I thought I'd share:

The House is Quietly Working to Dismantle Medicaid US healthcare policy is not exactly my strong suit, but it looks like there's a bill to remove federal funding from patient's Medicare while the application documents are being processed, and that this will especially affect immigrant families and children.

Trump's lies are not the problem. It's the millions who swallow them who really matter Pretty long, and it addresses a lot of things we've been talking about here already, but this bit really stood out to me (emphasis mine):

The same need to instil a party line and protect his supporters from reasonable doubt leads Trump and his sidekicks once again to imitate dictators and attack the whole of the free press. Not just opposition journalists, mark you, but the entire media. The reasoning is obvious. Every one of the many financial and political scandals Trump will surely generate will emerge in the media. Every media organisation must therefore be branded as lying and fake before they publish. Journalists need to learn, if they have not learned already, that no accommodation is possible with the alt-right because its ideology and tactics preclude it from wanting an accommodation. You cannot "balance" or appease such people - you can only expose them.

New Yorker and Vanity Fair Pull Out of Correspondents' Dinner Parties Not surprised, but this year's dinner is going to be fascinating. Like watching a train wreck. For any other president I would be happy that it's less celebrity focused, because that might leave more room for actual journalists, but it's probably going to be mostly BB and Fox, right? note 

edited 5th Feb '17 12:07:24 PM by Pseudopartition

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#172668: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:14:38 PM

Against Normalization: The Lesson of the “Munich Post”, here I'm preaching to the choir by sharing this, but it needs to be said: This is not normal.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#172669: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:20:55 PM

[up][up]Various media pulling out of presidential events is counter-productive. Much like the Secessionist states pulling out of Congress just before the Civil War, it allows them to ramrod their twisted agenda through without criticism or opposition.

You don't want less media scrutiny of Trump and his ilk, you want more. If he insults them for their negative coverage of him, they're doing something right.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#172670: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:24:38 PM

I can't wait till Trump's meltdown at the Correspondent's dinner when he Comedian start's roasting him in his face, while he's seething for the world to see.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#172671: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:24:40 PM

[up][up]Cuts both ways. The media can and should still cover him but they shouldn't have to hobnob with him as if everything is hunky dory, which is what the Correspondant's Dinner is.

edited 5th Feb '17 12:27:32 PM by Elle

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#172672: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:27:42 PM

[up][up]Trump couldn't withstand a roasting. He has no sense of humor, and certainly can't take a joke.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#172673: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:29:36 PM

This reminds me when Hillary went on SNL

Glorious. She's bae.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#172674: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:30:47 PM

I doubt there will be a roasting, they'll get someone to shill him instead.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#172675: Feb 5th 2017 at 12:32:20 PM

"I've seen Donnies balls, he has the best balls, believe me, really packing down there."

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