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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#164626: Dec 29th 2016 at 12:00:52 AM

Or possibly he's planning to throw Trump into a pit in 2020.

edited 29th Dec '16 12:01:00 AM by Gilphon

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#164627: Dec 29th 2016 at 12:19:22 AM

Oh, come on, Trump is already pretty low. Throwing him into a pit is redundant.

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#164628: Dec 29th 2016 at 8:26:33 AM

They go on a trip to the Evergrades and Trump drowns in a real-life swamp. tongue

Newsweek: Fears of more leaks in the Trump era

Representative Eric Swalwell says Donald Trump’s dismissal of CIA briefings will lead to leaks because the spy agencies will feel “it’s the only way the American people can know the truth.”

SeriesOfNumbers Since: Jun, 2013
#164629: Dec 29th 2016 at 8:57:40 AM

@164,525: That's a silly comparison. Misses are inherently deadly and cyber-attacks aren't.

@164,567: Yup. As Bellweather from Zootopia said, "fear always works".

@164,582: Have you heard Billy West reading Trump quotes in his Zapp Brannigan voice? It's really funny!

Look, I hate Trump too, but there's no evidence of him being a Russian puppet. Praising someone - even a bad person - doesn't make you that person's puppet. Not wanting war with someone doesn't make you a puppet. This is a Republican-like trick being appropriated by Democrats.

edited 29th Dec '16 9:04:30 AM by SeriesOfNumbers

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#164630: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:07:40 AM

He's surrounded himself by people with ties to the Russian government, we have seventeen three letter organizations saying the Russians are involved in his victory, all of his foreign policy stances run directly counter to NATO's long standing interests and agreements and support Russian encroachment, and he even asked them publicly on TV to hack the DNC and support him.

What more do you want?

Oh really when?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164631: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:08:48 AM

If not a russian puppet, most certainly a useful idiot.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#164632: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:15:34 AM

We also have Republicans more or less announcing Wiki Leaks one day before they happened.....

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#164633: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:20:26 AM

You have to be trolling at this point not to believe the Russians didn't do some serious meddling in our internal affairs.

Had this happened in the 80s we'd likely be on the brink of actual war.

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#164634: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:24:46 AM

[up]If this were the 80's, we would have spent last 6 months at DEFCON 3, and the last 7 weeks at DEFCON 2.

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#164635: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:32:27 AM

From the New Republic:

Democrats don’t really have a religion problem

In a new interview with The Atlantic, former Obama administration official Michael Wear insisted that his party is failing to reach out to evangelicals. Wear, who left the Obama administration to found Public Faith and is now promoting a book about his time in the White House, is an evangelical who opposes both abortion and marriage equality. So it shouldn’t surprise anyone that he thinks the Democratic party should adopt a softer tone on culture war issues. “Reaching out to evangelicals doesn’t mean you have to become pro-life,” he argues. “It just means you have to not be so in love with how pro-choice you are, and so opposed to how pro-life we are.” Later in the interview, Wear laments that the party “...used to welcome people who didn’t support abortion into the party. We are now so far from that, it’s insane.”

It’s true that Democrats have historically tolerated abortion opponents in the party. See: Bart Stupak, who successfully pressured President Obama to issue an executive order banning the use of ACA funds for abortion. Or the Hyde Amendment, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993 and repeatedly re-authorized by Obama. The Democratic party platform didn’t pass a call to repeal Hyde until this year. Wear begged them to reconsider.

It’s obvious the party’s been willing to compromise with abortion opponents. It’s also obvious that women have suffered every time they’ve done so. And that is particularly important to emphasize now as American women prepare for four years under a Republican administration that promises to be sweepingly antagonistic to abortion rights. American women need a party that won’t hesitate to frame abortion access as a moral good. The party Wear seems to want is a party women can’t afford to support.

There’s also little evidence to support Wear’s assertion that the party is overly hostile to evangelicals. Hillary Clinton is a committed Methodist who is known to have attended Bible studies in Washington, D.C. Obama is also deeply religious. Both are latecomers to the cause of marriage equality. And their faith commitments aren’t unusual for Democrats: There’s only one Democrat currently serving in Congress who’s ever identified as non-theistic.

The country is becoming increasingly secular and increasingly liberal on issues like marriage equality. The Democratic party won’t win by catering to social conservatives, and it shouldn’t try.

A Simon and Schuster imprint gave noted failed tech journalist and gay homophobe Milo Yiannopoulos a $250K book deal

According to The Hollywood Reporter, Milo will be writing a memoir for Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster which also publishes Donald Trump, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Dinesh D’Souza, and James O’Keefe. Milo presented the book deal to THR as a triumph—proof that being banned from Twitter hasn’t hurt his appeal. “I met with top execs at Simon & Schuster earlier in the year and spent half an hour trying to shock them with lewd jokes and outrageous opinions. I thought they were going to have me escorted from the building, but instead they offered me a wheelbarrow full of money,” Yiannopoulos told THR. The book deal is being treated on Twitter as what it is—an outrage: Simon & Schuster, which is owned by CBS, is giving a quarter of a million dollars to a man who holds racist and sexist views. Of course, Milo does fit in at Threshold, a conservative publisher (if you didn’t figure that out based on its stable of authors) which was founded by Mary Matalin. But Milo’s trolling, alongside his odious beliefs, do set him somewhat apart: Simon & Schuster can and should expect a lot of pushback from people who do not believe that people like Milo should be given a megaphone.

Milo’s book deal also hasn’t been confirmed by Simon & Schuster, but a page for his book does exist on the company’s website and Threshold Editions did retweet the Hollywood Reporter story. But THR was not able to get comment from representatives from Simon & Schuster or Threshold. I’ve reached out multiple times for comment and will update this piece when I hear back.

Update: Threshold confirms the deal

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164636: Dec 29th 2016 at 9:38:19 AM

I'm going to be blunt and say evangelicals can go suck it. The democrats don't need them, nor should they want to court their vote.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#164637: Dec 29th 2016 at 10:01:56 AM

Religion has no business in politics.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#164638: Dec 29th 2016 at 10:06:42 AM

[up][up]Alternately, as Agent Carter and Captain America said: "No, YOU move."

[up][up][up] That guy is like a bloodless 15 Minutes (2001). He takes Refuge in Audacity and lives it.

[up]Nonsense. Religion is politics, and has been from the beginning. So long as organized religions take moral stances, they will form voting blocs.

edited 29th Dec '16 10:08:40 AM by TheHandle

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#164639: Dec 29th 2016 at 10:25:11 AM

Social conservatives can't be reasoned with, give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Opposing them and rolling over are the only options you have when dealing with those sorts, they are the worst of the right.

edited 29th Dec '16 10:36:59 AM by Rationalinsanity

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164640: Dec 29th 2016 at 10:41:16 AM

To elaborate on my earlier point:

Normally I'm the first person to propose a pragmatic solution over maintaining ideological purity, BUT you can only compromise so much before your victory becomes pyrrhic.

In much the same way that the democrats should not court aggrieved racists, they shouldn't be courting any other types of reactionaries either, because it's not worth winning if you have to take those kinds of steps. Not just from an ideological standpoint, but from the fact that it will bring the democrats closer and closer to the GOP and that's pretty damn bad.

Evangelicals, individual exceptions aside, tend to be so "conservative" to the point of being reactionary. So no, the GOP can have them.

edited 29th Dec '16 10:43:13 AM by Draghinazzo

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#164641: Dec 29th 2016 at 11:10:14 AM

Exactly. Democrats batting for evangelicals is like Cold War Republicans courting the card-carrying Communist vote. It's utterly antithetical to whatever they claim to stand for, unless they actually want to 180 on everything they've been fighting for the last 50+ years.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#164642: Dec 29th 2016 at 11:21:09 AM

"U.S. expels 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds: official" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14I1TY

Things are heating up it seems

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#164644: Dec 29th 2016 at 11:46:05 AM

Alternately, as Agent Carter and Captain America said: "No, YOU move."

I've always hated that speech, ever since Cap delivered it to Spider-Man in the Civil War comics. "No, YOU move," is why we're in this situation to begin with. It's been the GOP's rallying cry for the last eight years. It glorifies obstructionism and represents the death of compromise.

It is bitterly ironic that although Cap without question would vote Democrat, his most famous speech is something that could easily be heard coming out of Trump's mouth today. It's a truly awful piece of writing from a terribly mismanaged event comic that has somehow been immortalized.

edited 29th Dec '16 11:46:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164645: Dec 29th 2016 at 11:51:53 AM

There ARE some things that I don't think you can afford to compromise on, but yes that's more or less the problem with that speech.

It only works if you agree with the person's position and the stance they're not compromising on.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#164646: Dec 29th 2016 at 12:01:09 PM

The movie reused it in a better form. In the film the speech is framed in the context of the heavily sexist world Carter lived in heavily underestimating and mistreating her, so the "No, you move" becomes more analogous to underground resistance of social movements like feminism and the like.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#164647: Dec 29th 2016 at 12:05:48 PM

I don't read mainstream comics, as a rule. They hurt my brain. Unless they're Thor, but then I don't need to bring my brain. Or Grant Morrison, but then my brain is useless.

[up]I meant it that way.

edited 29th Dec '16 12:06:11 PM by TheHandle

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#164648: Dec 29th 2016 at 12:53:35 PM

The quote goes "Compromise where you can, but where you can't, plant your feet in the ground and tell the world "You move". Which is fair enough. There are a few things which one shouldn't compromise on.

edited 29th Dec '16 1:05:09 PM by Swanpride

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#164649: Dec 29th 2016 at 1:02:13 PM

It's also a bit meaningless. Obviously one isn't going to compromise in places where they feel they can't compromise.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#164650: Dec 29th 2016 at 1:06:42 PM

[up] Well, I shortened it a little bit....I cut out the part where you are supposed to do it even if the whole world is telling you that you are wrong. Which does kind of terrible, but when you put it in the context of the feminist movement, or the Civil Rights movement or WWII, it makes perfectly sense. The majority isn't always right.


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