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#164526: Dec 28th 2016 at 9:05:45 AM

Didn't Obama himself allegedly say a smooth transition was no longer a priority?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164527: Dec 28th 2016 at 9:44:29 AM

the problem with assenge is that is bias make question the used of leak emails, no only for the timing but is praise to trump and saying Russia is not that bad(they are that bad) come as SERIOUS double standar.

"Have you heard about argentina political history"

Yeah, im wit wandering here, this is everyday to us, hell one part of me just want to said "Damn gringos and your first world problems"

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#164528: Dec 28th 2016 at 9:49:31 AM

[up][up][up]A Not!joke

The future leader of the free world, and a 70+ year old man to boot, used a fucking not!joke.

God, I wished that I drink.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#164529: Dec 28th 2016 at 10:08:29 AM

[[Hillary clinton and Barack obama are Americas most admired woman and man

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#164530: Dec 28th 2016 at 10:35:39 AM

Let's not be hostile to Series Of Numbers. I personally like that we have a contrary viewpoint to question us and force us to provide facts and evidence of our viewpoints, it's a pleasant change from the otherwise endless and hyperbolic Democrat circlejerk.

edited 28th Dec '16 10:53:36 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#164531: Dec 28th 2016 at 10:47:40 AM

Futurama references asides, Miklos Haraszti on the rise of Trump, and how it is comparable to Orban.

A first vital lesson from my Hungarian experience: Do not be distracted by a delusion of impending normalization. Do not ascribe a rectifying force to statutes, logic, necessities or fiascoes. Remember the frequently reset and always failed illusions attached to an eventual normalization of Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Orban.

Call me a typical Hungarian pessimist, but I think hope can be damaging when dealing with populists. For instance, hoping that unprincipled populism is unable to govern. Hoping that Trumpism is self-deceiving, or self-revealing, or self-defeating. Hoping to find out if the president-elect will have a line or a core, or if he is driven by beliefs or by interests. Or there’s the Kremlinology-type hope that Trump’s party, swept to out-and-out power by his charms, could turn against him. Or hope extracted, oddly, from the very fact that he often disavows his previous commitments.

Populists govern by swapping issues, as opposed to resolving them. Purposeful randomness, constant ambush, relentless slaloming and red herrings dropped all around are the new normal. Their favorite means of communication is provoking conflict. They do not mind being hated. Their two basic postures of “defending” and “triumphing” are impossible to perform without picking enemies.

I presume this is what Tactical Fox tried to post: Obama is currently the most respected man in America, and Hillary Clinton the most respected woman. But the former is pretty much always the sitting president, so it might not mean all that much.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#164532: Dec 28th 2016 at 11:06:41 AM

I presume this is what Tactical Fox tried to post: Obama is currently the most respected man in America, and Hillary Clinton the most respected woman. But the former is pretty much always the sitting president, so it might not mean all that much

Wonder if Trump will end up the always or the pretty much.

edited 28th Dec '16 11:07:22 AM by sgamer82

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#164533: Dec 28th 2016 at 11:18:14 AM

The leaks weren't the problem, it was the overwhelming, unwarranted attention and obsession given to them over the actually problematic politics of her opponent.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#164534: Dec 28th 2016 at 11:32:22 AM

Well, in my opinion, they were given the deserved attention, both the Democratic and Republican parties are supposed to be unbiased and not influence the voting process as Debbie tried to this year.

The American voting population deserves clarity, and whether or not the hacking was performed by russians, the contents of the emails remain true.

Life is unfair...
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A procrastination in of itself
#164535: Dec 28th 2016 at 11:39:42 AM

It's not clarity when you polish only one window.

Oh and Obama has announced sanctions on Russia for election meddling.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#164536: Dec 28th 2016 at 11:59:11 AM

Good

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#164537: Dec 28th 2016 at 12:01:51 PM

Will they last beyond his leaving office or is it strictly symbolic?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#164538: Dec 28th 2016 at 12:20:09 PM

Symbolic.

Democrats are going to have a field day when Trump announces he's lifting the sanctions.

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#164539: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:17:35 PM

Who the fuck is Debbie

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#164540: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:20:58 PM

I'd assume Debbie Weisserman Schultz, former head of the DNC

SeriesOfNumbers Since: Jun, 2013
#164541: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:37:15 PM

@164,491: Why does everyone keep assuming that Assange's could have gotten access to leaks about Trump as well? You don't think it's possible that maybe the Republicans just had better cyber-security than the Democrats? As for me allegedly not wanting to learn anything about Trump from the leaks, I don't know where you got that impression. As I've said repeatedly now, I already consider Trump even worse than Trump. I think the worst things about him were things he was pretty open about (wanting to torture "even if it doesn't work", arguing that we should kill the families of ISIS members, wanting to ban all Muslims from the country), so I don't think leaks about him were even necessary, but I wouldn't object to leaks revealing other bad things about him. Like the Hillary leaks, I'd be glad corruption in the Trump camp was exposed regardless of the identity or motives of the leakers, just so long as they were true. And I'd think they were probably true if neither the RNC nor Trump denied it.

@164,496: Sorry, but your Grammer is so confusing that I have no idea what you're trying to say.

@164,499: Sorry, but I also side with the Democrats. I even voted for Clinton in the general election. I'm just frustrated when I see my fellow liberals and Democratic voters (which aren't the same thing, but there's plenty of overlap and I'm in both camps) pretending Clinton and the Democrats are good instead of the lesser of two evils. And I'm frustrated to see people on this side being anti-transparency when transparency is thought to have hurt our side and excusing corruption when it helps our side. I'd hoped that more of us were more principled and less tribal then that.

@164,502: Except it wasn't unwarranted, and Clinton's politics were highly problematic as well, albeit not quite as problematic as Trump. I agree that they didn't focus enough on how problematic Trump was, though.

@164,504: I'd rather have one window cleaned than neither.

edited 28th Dec '16 1:42:51 PM by SeriesOfNumbers

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#164542: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:40:17 PM

IIRC, the CIA said that RNC was also hacked, despite none of their emails getting released and the RNC previously claiming they weren't hacked. Do check that, though, because I'm not certain it was the CIA that said that.

And, well, the consequences of releasing those emails, quite possibly, was getting Trump elected. Certainly that was Assange's motivations for doing so. If the cost of finding about things that look bad but aren't actually illegal is having Trump as a president, that's not a cost worth paying. And don't play the 'partisanship' card; 'Trump is the worst Presidentially candidate in my lifetime, and a serious threat to the American democracy' is, to me, a completely non-partisan opinion. And I'm also not even an American, I'm not part of your tribalist bullshit.

edited 28th Dec '16 1:49:46 PM by Gilphon

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#164543: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:40:53 PM

How aren't they good?

Oh really when?
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#164544: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:41:53 PM

~Series Of Numbers: May I point out that even if Clinton's policies have flaws, that does not automatically make them "evil"? Generally "evil" - even "lesser evil" - implies that they are net harmful.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164545: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:43:54 PM

I think an important question to ask is: at what point does a political organization become "evil"?

Sort of hard to expect any political organization to be perfect. I think most people would admit the Democrats are flawed and that Clinton was a flawed candidate, but that's different from saying "they're the lesser of two evils" given that "evil" is a loaded word.

[nja]

edited 28th Dec '16 1:44:08 PM by Draghinazzo

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#164546: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:44:37 PM

@Series Of Numbers Oh, I am too. I just like seeing everything from all angles. Having your values questioned can make you re-evaluate them and fortify your beliefs. Skepticism and criticism is healthy.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#164547: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:46:03 PM

Basically yeah, how exactly is she and the Democrats a lesser "evil" rather than just imperfect?

Oh really when?
SeriesOfNumbers Since: Jun, 2013
#164548: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:47:28 PM

@164,513: I think a lot of Clinton's policies would have been harmful. Arming child soldiers as Secretary Of State, risking war with Russia over a no-fly zone in Syria are both dangerous policies and responding to cyber attacks militarily are all harmful and dangerous, with the first and third being quite evil.

@164,514 and 164,516: The Democrats are in favor of invading countries that didn't attack us, continuing the use of drones no matter how many innocent people they kill, and imprisoning heroes who expose government corruption like Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden. Yes, the Democrats have morally superior views on LGBT rights, welfare, religious freedom and police brutality, but that's why they're the lesser of two evils. If we include things that are bad but maybe not evil, they're also both in favor of invading our privacy without warrants and doing favors for people who give them legal bribes "campaign contributions".

edited 28th Dec '16 1:57:43 PM by SeriesOfNumbers

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#164549: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:49:56 PM

You don't think it's possible that maybe the Republicans just had better cyber-security than the Democrats?

I've a distinct feeling that the Republicans simply weren't targeted due to Russia wanting to try handing the election to someone they feel they can manipulate, as evidenced by his Secretary of State pick, who had a pipeline deal scuttled when the US issued sanctions against Russia for their invasion of Crimea in 2014.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164550: Dec 28th 2016 at 1:53:06 PM

Considering Trump move with Taiwan and now China did answer, is hard to said Hilary is more pro-war.

Also, is hard to believe the RNC have better security considering Wikileaks sucess before, it look they just didnt bother at all, between them and their softness with Russia it just rise....questions

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