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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Currently the Democrats are aghast, but not because they think that democracy failed, but because they think that democracy has been systematically undermined by the Republicans (they are right, btw). Hopefully this will eventually lead to the introduction of more checks and balances to avoid a disaster like this happening again.
Some of them. There's a school of thought in political science, backed by game theory that suggests presidential democracies are inherently less stable than parliamentary systems. This is also backed by history; only two Presidential democracies, the United States and Chile have remained stable for more than a century. None have been stable for more than two.
Here's an article on the shortcomings of American democracy.
One which predated Trump by quite a while.
"In the center, of course, it's an article of faith that when right and left talk like this they're simply both wrong. These are nothing but the overheated squeals of partisans and ideologues."
edited 27th Dec '16 12:11:06 PM by CaptainCapsase
Trump says Happy Hannukah, and the alt-right gets pissed
. Did they forget he has a Jewish daughter?
Alt-Right acts immature and attacks itself
'Alt-right' groups will 'revolt' if Trump shuns white supremacy, leaders say
Cute. These people are a joke. Nasty, evil, but a joke.
Exactly because I have seen so many democracies slide back into what is basically a dictatorship I am so worried about what is currently happening in the US. Stuff like this doesn't happen from one day to another, it is a step by step process and the US government, especially the Republicans, have taken way too many steps in the wrong direction lately.
Indeed. My insistence that the democrats refuse to engage on the GOP's term is not out of some misguided adherence to principles, but rather the belief that it's too late to prevent the collapse of the American political system; all we can do is brace for impact, and try to ensure that the people who end up picking up the pieces are better equipped to revitalize the shattered institutions than is usually the case in the aftermath of a constitutional crisis.
edited 27th Dec '16 12:21:16 PM by CaptainCapsase
Republicans will probably attempt to use Gödel's Loophole at some point:
edited 27th Dec '16 12:30:56 PM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleI have absolutely no sympathy for any Trump voter who is only now realizing that they just voted for the removal of some of the very same programs they relied on for their survival. Hope those coal workers who voted for Trump are happy that the removal of the ACA will grant generous tax breaks to millionaires.
Disgusted, but not surprisedI'm torn between my gut feeling of "Look what you've subjected us all to, in your ignorance. STARVE" and my better judgement of "we should really be lynching the rich now instead of sneering at their poor suckers"
edited 27th Dec '16 12:29:30 PM by Lanceleoghauni
"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"From the linked page (found through Google):
Which is to say, Article 5:
Can be amended so that its own boundaries and definitions, including State ratification, no longer apply.
Or so I read it.
It's been fun.To be fair the loophole isn't anything special, but it is a fundamental weakness in democratic institutions. Democracy is inherently self-dissolving, unless certain functions are determined by "eternity clauses" (i.e. parts that after being added cannot in no way or shape be changed).
edited 27th Dec '16 12:49:46 PM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleCan we take this as a sign of the Alt-right collapsing in on itself? I mean, I always knew it wouldn't have any long-term future in the modern America, but does this look like it will ever reverse itself?
Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you![]()
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Problem with Godel's Loophole: Republicans do not have 2/3rds of the Senate and the House. They have 3/5ths of both at best. Even though Republicans might have 2/3rds of the State Legislatures, they would not be able to pass 3/4ths of all Legislatures once their Amendments are proposed.
@Alt-Right Breaking Down: That's a good thing. Even if Trump has 'aligned' himself with the movement, the fact that he's pissing them off so early is a good sign, and the fact that they are starting to snipe at each other over how extreme is too extreme is a good thing as well. Hopefully in 2 years, this Alt-Right movement (and perhaps even the Tea Party movement) simply breaks apart into small, squabbling factions that can't do anything at all, similar to the Jewish Revolters in Monty Pythons Life Of Brian (which was itself based on English Marxist-Socialist Parties).
edited 27th Dec '16 12:57:51 PM by DingoWalley1
It's a bit soon to say they're collapsing. It's them running into a speed bump that's pretty minor in the big scheme of things. If that's enough to sink the movement, then the movement was never actually strong enough to be worth worrying about in the first place.
edited 27th Dec '16 12:59:12 PM by Gilphon
", what interests of Putin is Trump friendly toward besides not going to war with Russia? Isn't avoiding another pointless war a good thing?"
"The info in the e-mails is info the American people had every right to know, regardless of the motives of the people who released it."
I cannot belive people are saying this,
"I have absolutely no sympathy for any Trump voter who is only now realizing that they just voted for the removal of some of the very same programs they relied on for their survival. Hope those coal workers who voted for Trump are happy that the removal of the ACA will grant generous tax breaks to millionaires."
For me a latin american troper that is what piss me the most because again, we saw that here: the idea that inserting some bad idea isnt so bad because our leader will only use it wisely, if Trump manage to build a Wall or the Ban, I wont be surprise to see coment "But I saw many inocent muslim, this was suposed to be against terrorist, how this could be!" I have saw that answer plenty of times to asure themselve that Trump is not racist
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

edited 27th Dec '16 12:04:21 PM by CaptainCapsase