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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#164051: Dec 24th 2016 at 1:35:06 PM

Just sounds like another example of Trump saying one thing and doing another.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#164052: Dec 24th 2016 at 1:43:28 PM

Not strictly politics related, but Fake News is a subject that's come up here before so thought it might be interesting to post:

The Film Theory Youtube channel does a video about the Fake News phenomenon.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#164053: Dec 24th 2016 at 1:48:41 PM

I don't like how the Trump administration is using the word "demand" in these employment requests. It smacks of authoritarianism. Which I'm sure is deliberate.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#164054: Dec 24th 2016 at 1:57:36 PM

[up] Is the administration using the word, are are the sources reporting on it using the word?

Re: Trump and the Bundys (Now there's a Married... with Children episode title...) is it at all ironic that for all that we were glad to avoid martyring Y'all Queda during these standoffs, the Republican candidate they'd otherwise wholeheartedly support is the one preaching aggressiveness?

edited 24th Dec '16 2:00:11 PM by sgamer82

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#164055: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:00:20 PM

[up][up][up] So South Park was right last season?

Man, I didn't know the problem was worse then simply rebuilding neighborhoods so that only the Rich (ads) could live there.

In all seriousness, though, it sounds like Advertising needs to be seriously moderated now more then ever.

[up] Not at all; that's all Trump's M.O. Be aggressive as hell towards anyone and everyone, be they a person, a corporation, or even an entire group of people. That is what Trump ran on; that is what he's still running on. So of course he would be aggressive towards those that challenge the Government's (especially his Government's) authority.

edited 24th Dec '16 2:02:45 PM by DingoWalley1

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164056: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:14:32 PM

Of course the problem here is that you can run 4 years against everyone, Trump build is way on the agression so he will have to fuel that felling for 4 years, otherwise it will implode on him

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
El Cid
#164057: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:18:55 PM

I believe president Trump will clash with the Republicans over the whole "small government" thing. I mean, while they may sell it to him as a good thing, he might take it as a personal affront because, well, who wouldn't want to be ruled by Donald J. Trump? Who would prefer one of those filthy governor peasants over the President of the United States of America!?

So yeah, if another Bundy rose against the government, it's probable that Trump would be against that.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#164058: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:20:01 PM

[up][up]Which, thanks to the Chaves-Maduro and Peron-Menem-Kirchner(x2) series we both know personally that it's far easier than it sounds.

Also: "The global warming we should be worried about is the global warming caused by NUCLEAR WEAPONS in the hands of crazy or incompetent leaders!"

Trump's old tweets demonstrate once again that not even Trump considers Trump to be fit to be president.

edited 24th Dec '16 2:24:25 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#164059: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:30:43 PM

Jeez, that youtube video...

>"Clickbait kills"

>uses clickbait title

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164060: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:30:50 PM

[up][up]Well, Here Chavez manage to get afloat because unlike Maduro or Trump he knowed how to control himself while Maduro have the lowest suport EVER(a 25% last time I check) Trump is similar, he dosent have new fans and he is losing people even in a lost rate

edited 24th Dec '16 2:31:12 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#164061: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:34:33 PM

[up]Yeah, Peron, Menem and Kirchner 1 were similar, but I was talking about the "keeping his followers aggressive" part.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164062: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:42:12 PM

[up]keeping agresive is easy, keeping them agressive ON OTHERS, THAT is the problem, if you ask me Trump is going for easy wins likes carrier deal to kept is follower happy until he ran out of those

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#164063: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:43:14 PM

[up]Yes, you're right.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164064: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:46:34 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but can't Carrier just gradually move jobs away regardless while nobody's looking?

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#164065: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:48:00 PM

[up]They are already planning to do so, while Trump plays it like a victory to rally his base, and sets the precedent of naked extortion between the government and private companies.

Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
El Cid
#164066: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:56:21 PM

The deal was that Carrier wouldn't close one of the Indianapolis plants and keep in the US one third of the jobs they were planning to move to Mexico. They will still move several hundreds jobs south of the wall and they'll still close a plant in the US. Also, some of the jobs they weren't going to move to Mexico will count as part of that one third of jobs they had to keep in the US, so... it's all just symbolic.

The company will get its tax breaks, it will lay off hundreds of employees in the US and it will move jobs to a country with cheaper labour. So, the only apparent win for Trump's government is that he can sell his people the illusion of keeping one of his promises.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#164067: Dec 24th 2016 at 2:57:26 PM

Unfortunately, that's a significant win for him, and will continue to be as long as he can keep it up.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164068: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:14:12 PM

[up]Point here: if HE can keep it out, him being trump....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#164069: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:20:07 PM

I guarantee you that one of the primary objectives of Trump and his Death Eaters is to magnify the wave of misinformation and propaganda that he already rode into the White House. And all of the pieces are in place for him to do just that. Trump TV, with 24-hour White House access. Breitbart becoming a de facto state-run propaganda outlet (which is also expanding its influence into Europe). The loss of net neutrality making Internet censorship viable once more. Threatening journalists and major news outlets with lawsuits or loss of access to discourage unflattering coverage.note 

Not to mention him telling his supporters that his personal messages to them are the only reliable source of information, and everything else is suspect. Another move straight out of the fascism playbook. "Believe only me. No one else."

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#164070: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:23:31 PM

I guarantee you that one of the primary objectives of Trump and his Death Eaters is to magnify the wave of misinformation and propaganda that he already rode into the White House.

Dude, you're talking with a Venezuelan (and an Argentine). As much as Trump may be a new thing for you, to us he is just doing Standard Operation Practices for government, and that's why he's so scary (to me at least).

edited 24th Dec '16 3:23:53 PM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#164071: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:25:20 PM

I think that despite everything, I'm still coming to grips with just how bad this is going to be. That last post was as much me thinking out loud as anything else.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#164072: Dec 24th 2016 at 3:49:33 PM

RE: Kissinger: He will not die until someone drives a stake into his heart, severs his head from his body, burns said body and head, dowses the ashes in holy water and scatters them into two separate rivers.

edited 24th Dec '16 3:50:26 PM by tricksterson

Trump delenda est
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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#164074: Dec 24th 2016 at 4:01:42 PM

[up][up]So, kissinger is the american rasputin?

Bluefish: again, nothing new for us here, what you are saying is Party aproves news which happen because people are sure true FACTS are the one who valided their worldview(which isnt new on is on) again he is not gaining people, he dosent have the skill to mantain it

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#164075: Dec 24th 2016 at 4:08:27 PM

Your biggest asset with Trump bound to be at best mediocre is that pretty much nobody but white supremacists will have any fond memories of this government.

To bring up an example from my own country again, when the military dictatorship was in power, people had no real idea what was going on in the government. They had full control over information, so people didn't find out about all the corruption, cronyism, incompetence, and wanton violence that existed in the government at that time because no news source was allowed to report it.

This, along with the people from the dictatorship getting away scott-free from their crimes means a lot of people who lived through the dictatorship actually want to go BACK to it because they have the illusion that things were better then, when the reality is it was WORSE and they just had no way to find out.

That's not going to happen to Trump. Even with his attempts to obscure the truth he won't be able to completely, and unless it gets to the point where the republicans invent fake figures of economic prosperity people are going to see things aren't getting better.

edited 24th Dec '16 4:25:30 PM by Draghinazzo


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