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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#163676: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:23:01 AM

  • sigh*...yeah, my father's latent racism has come out full blown...last Christmas ended in a giant discussion, this year we have banned politics from the dinner table. Thankfully I spend only one day with him. A friend of mine, who is as leftist as it gets without being an unbearable fanatic has the same problem with her father.

I honestly have the feeling that this mind-set is stronger in older and/or middle-aged people.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#163677: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:23:18 AM

[up]*7 That's the father's mentality on Trump's more insane policies though.

Now why didn't he call his brother/brother in law out when he basically said he would be more than happy to have his daughter gassed?

edited 21st Dec '16 10:24:51 AM by NoName999

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#163678: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:26:19 AM

I guess I'm the lucky one here. I can't imagine what it must be like for a member of your family to actually threaten another member of your family. Even my Republican uncle has no love for Trump whatsoever.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163679: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:26:43 AM

I should mention that my dad didn't bother to vote since we live in California. He hasn't voted once in the past few decades.

Honestly, I'm hoping against all odds that my dad is right about Trump not being a complete fuck up. Since if he fucks up big time, we will all suffer.

I'm thinking of making a bet with my dad about whether or not Trump will fuck up the economy or something. Except I'm not sure I'd be happy about winning.

edited 21st Dec '16 10:28:47 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#163680: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:31:45 AM

I hope that he does fuck up, but only do a degree that it is obvious what a bad pick he was (and how corrupt and undemocratic the republicans have become).

The upside in all of this that whatever happens, at least we won't have to LIVE with the embarrassment that WWIII was started with a tweet.....

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163681: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:32:56 AM

[up] I hope he fucks up too. Just not to the degree that Fallout or Deus Ex becomes reality.

Disgusted, but not surprised
justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#163682: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:33:43 AM

I hope he doesn't. I hope he's really good. I don't want him to fail, because that effects all of us, democrat, republican, gay, straight, whatever.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163683: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:36:13 AM

[up] I wouldn't get my hopes up. Best case is that he screws up in a noticeable but not TOO disastrous manner.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163684: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:37:36 AM

Nope. As sad as it has to be, Trump HAS to fail.

Not just for Democrats to win, but because there's a giant elephant in the room:

If after all this hysteria and Trump doesn't fail, what happens when, inevitably, another Trump who's infinitely smarter and charismatic comes along? All of the hate, none of the baggage or stupidity?

Our cries of hysteria at this new Trump will go ignored, and when he does get elected, he's going to be the one who truly finishes what Trump started.

So, no. Trump CANNOT be allowed to be a good President. It's going to suck. It's going to suck, badly, but the alternative...? Well...you already know.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163685: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:39:16 AM

[up] I don't think we have to worry about Trump being a good POTUS. His brain and heart would have to grow three sizes overnight. Even the Spirits of Christmas Past, Present, and Yet-to-come would have a hard time changing him in time.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#163686: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:39:30 AM

On the subject of families, we had my mom's side of the family - my grandmother, my aunt (my mom's sister), uncle and two cousins - over for Thanksgiving. My aunt's family, at the very least, are pretty committed Pennsylvania Democrats, and while I believe my grandmother might be a Republican, she did not like Trump at all. They all voted Clinton, so there wasn't much disagreement on that front.

As for my dad's side...I don't know, we don't see them that often (it was something of a surprised when my mom's side of the family all decided to come out, for that matter). I think that at least a few of them lean more conservative, but my dad's sister visited this summer, and she very vocally disliked Trump. As for everyone else, I don't know. Mind you, my dad was from a family of seven kids, six of whom (including him) are still alive, so there are a lot of grandkids (and great-grandkids). I'd expect that there's a pretty wide range of opinions. From the way my dad has talked about one of his brothers (who also happens to be my godfather), though, he seems more...well, I don't know the specifics, so we'll say "old-fashioned". I do know that my aforementioned aunt made some vague allusions to him at least sounding sympathetic to Trump, or something like that?

Hopefully, this Christmas passes without incident.

edited 21st Dec '16 10:40:15 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163687: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:40:02 AM

I mean, obviously the best case scenario is 'despite all logic and evidence, Trump somehow turns out to be a good president.'

But, y'know, none of us see any reason to believe that's going to happen. And there is a possibility that the negative consequences of his presidency won't be immediately obvious enough to actually cost him support among the people who got him elected.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163688: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:41:15 AM

[up] Sadly, that's probably the most likely scenario. It'd probably take a year or more for them to notice.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#163689: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:44:23 AM

It should also be mentioned that Trump needs to fuck up in a way that's clear to the average voter. Fortunately that shouldn't be too hard for him to do. Unfortunately it means we might have to test how true accelerationism is. It might be best to let him muck everything up in the short term so we can rally voters in 2018 and 2020.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163690: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:47:27 AM

I can't believe I'm actually arguing for accelerationism.

Ugh.

Dammit.

New Survey coming this weekend!
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#163691: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:48:35 AM

It's the only option we have at this point. The Democrats need to resist but if they do it too strongly they might lose again in the coming elections.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163692: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:49:37 AM

[up] "Fortunately", most of Trump's policies are totally awful. The only semi-not-a-disaster one is the much needed infrastructure package. And that is questionable.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#163693: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:51:28 AM

This goes deeper than Trump. Just like the Tweets are only a distraction from what he does, he himself is only a distraction from what the Republicans currently do. They are systematically undermining the democracy in a giant power grab.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#163694: Dec 21st 2016 at 10:51:56 AM

Granted, what I'm worried about is the "not accelerationist enough" types that think that The Purge would be a great idea in real life.

A Superior Court judge ruled that 8 Seattle children should be allowed to argue that Washington State and others aren't protecting them from climate change in court.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#163695: Dec 21st 2016 at 11:00:46 AM

[up]Good. Hopefully their challenge stands and sets a precedent.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163696: Dec 21st 2016 at 11:03:08 AM

[up] With our luck, it will be passed up to Trump's supreme court and promptly dismissed.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#163697: Dec 21st 2016 at 11:10:55 AM

Part of me said "Democrats need to give Trump enough rope to hang himself with. If they go obstructionist, let alone accelerationist, they'll just get blamed for his actions."

Part of me answered "Trump supporters do not run on logic. It is pointless to try to earn their love. Focus on everyone else."

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#163698: Dec 21st 2016 at 11:12:11 AM

We're going to drain the swamp... of corruption. Funny how that term caught on, isn't it? I told... I tell everyone— I hated it. Somebody said, "drain the swamp." I said, "Oh, that's so hokey. That is so terrible. I said, "All right, I'll try it'." So, like a month ago, I said, "drain the swamp." Place went crazy. I said, "Whoa. What's this?" Then I said it again. Then I started saying it like I meant it, right? "

....wow.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/311296-gingrich-trump-doesnt-want-to-drain-the-swamp-anymore

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163699: Dec 21st 2016 at 11:13:20 AM

This is the frustrating part. He's EXPLICITLY telling them that they're being conned, yet they still keep falling for it.

New Survey coming this weekend!
justhelping Since: Dec, 2016
#163700: Dec 21st 2016 at 11:14:09 AM

What criterion would we judge Trump to be good by? What would he have to do to be labeled a good president?


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