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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
@Captain Caprese: The GOP are in the dominant position politically at the moment. I can't imagine them feeling the need to compromise, and even if some of them did (even Trump) I can easily imagine the the party turning on each other.
edited 21st Dec '16 9:16:12 AM by Mio
The reason Trump keeps up the ridiculous tweets is to distract us from the real nasty shit he's doing. He's doing the equivalent of the Joker telling us about his scars, or of Chris Pratt's character challenging the world-ending triumphant villain to a dance-off. It's a magic trick.
Ooh, child, things ain't gonna get easier...
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.It's not necessarily untrue that city people and rural people lead very different lives and that they don't understand each other's concerns or values all that well.
The thing is from my experience, city people don't have a habit of questioning that rural people are "real" americans or that they matter. The concern of many liberals over the "white working class" (regardless of the debatable nature of a lot of the proposals or premises) is a good indication that a lot of "city elites" actually do care about them. The reverse is often not true. Though perhaps misguided, people have been attempting to learn about rural America even if partly for pragmatic reasons. If there's an outcry from within rural America to understand city-dwellers and how they matter too I haven't really seen it (though it goes without saying people of that stripe obviously exist).
I wouldn't contest that there can be a certain element of snobbery from city people regarding rural voters as well, but many of them don't exactly help that by holding reactionary views and fostering anti-intellectualism.
edited 21st Dec '16 9:45:54 AM by Draghinazzo
So this seems like the best place to talk about this. I'm just wondering, does anyone else in this thread have family that are Trump supporters? If so then how do you deal with them? My parents voted for him and it's causing some issues. I love them but it's hard for me to see them the same way anymore.
That sound you just heard was the 14th Amendment being shredded.
"Yup. That tasted purple."No but I can relate, having family friends who voted for Brexit, there's a comic somwhere that rather sums up the feeling, I'll try and find it.
edited 21st Dec '16 10:03:45 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
x3 I haven't asked my parents who they voted for because it's really none of my business (plus, we've been on great terms all my life and don't want to ruin that), but both are lifelong Republicans so I do have to wonder if they did. My mom hates Trump, but also couldn't get herself to vote for Hillary. So I have no idea if she went third party or just plain didn't vote.
@Kostya
Almost my entire family save for my mom and sister (who were put off by his misogyny more than anything else). Ranges from my dad's head in the sand "Oh he'd never really do that" to my uncle telling my sister he'd send her to the death camps himself if Trump ever enacted "the glorious purge" a bunch of the alt-righters like him think is coming. " SOCIALISM is a disease that can only be cured by amputating the infection" he says after she suggests she's voting for Hillary.
My dad is pretty open to debate and discussion but he's mired in these weird religious conspiracy theories that Germany will produce the antichrist/kill the Jews at any given moment, so anyone friendly with the German government is automatically disqualified in his eyes, anything else be damned.
My grandparents both went blindly for Trump and are total koolaid drinkers who believe anything from the party. Anything negative is done in secret by Democrats and anything positive is the work of republicans. Social Security will be saved! Medicare (which literally saved both of their lives at one point) is under attack by Obama himself and only Trump will preserve it! Obama planned Iraq! Hillary works for the Russians and only Trump can stop her! It's like talking to a wall so I avoid politics whenever possible with them
As mentioned before, my uncle and the rest of the extended family fall somewhere between smug asshole and outright bloodthirsty racist.
edited 21st Dec '16 10:06:25 AM by carbon-mantis
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I knew ahead of time that they planned to vote for Trump but I didn't say anything. I figured he would lose anyway and afterwards I could go into a long rant about how we dodged a massive bullet. Now I'm not sure how to approach the subject.
And how do you deal with it? I want to tell them they're wrong for supporting him but it's a bit hard when Fox News blares at them almost every night.
edited 21st Dec '16 10:08:56 AM by Kostya
It's incredible that every single political prediction made during the election cycle was hopelessly wrong. In the electoral college, not only did we get faithless electors for Trump, but 4 entire votes in Washington went to candidates other than Hillary. This is an election where "Faith Spotted Eagle" won an electoral vote.
My uncle buys into everything Fox News reports like it's the gospel. He's convinced Clinton is a traitor and a murderer.
My brothers and sisters have zero knowledge of politics and vote for Trump because they trust my uncle.
My grandparents know for a fact that Clinton is evil. They don't know why, they just do. So they voted for Trump. My grandma regularly posts things on Facebook supporting illegal immigrants and Native Americans, so the cognitive dissonance here is astounding.
@kotsaya: I'm pretty much in the exact same situation, and frankly it's not going so well. I would ignore all of the politics, but my dad Fox News most of the day so it's pretty much unavoidable. It's not helped by my dad wanting to engage in discussion and my parents being . . . well rather traditional "authoritative" Hispanic parents, particularly my mother.
Weirdly my mother actually has some pretty left views on healthcare, stating once that Medicare works and that the ACA should be more like Medicare (admittedly this probably comes from the fact that she works in the hone health/ nursing home industry), but other then that she just seems to follow my father's lead on politics. My father by the way is a rather stereotypical religious Cuban exile reactionary as far as politics go.
I'm afraid there isn't much that can be done except to avoid the topic of politics all together. To do otherwise only invites misery.
edited 21st Dec '16 10:22:19 AM by Mio
My dad thinks we should "give Trump a chance" despite the racism. We're not white, btw. He's a Republican though. I've also mentioned before that we're eligible for a lot of Trump's tax breaks. That might be a reason.
It's not so bad. I've had to correct him on buying into some of the fake news surrounding HRC though. I've also told him that getting all of his news from Facebook is a terrible idea.
TBH, it really seems like he's trying to convince himself that Trump won't be a disaster, since we're stuck with him anyway.
edited 21st Dec '16 10:22:46 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedMy maternal grandparents are old-school Republicans who think Trump is a witless buffoon. I think they voted third party. My paternal grandparents are also Republicans, though they supported Rubio initially, and voted for Trump more out of party loyalty than anything else. It's kind of bizarre that the Chinese side of my family was more enthusiastic about Trump than the white as snow side of the family, but oh well.
Pretty much everyone else in my extended family is a democrat, or just flat out apathetic to politics.
edited 21st Dec '16 10:24:05 AM by CaptainCapsase

edited 21st Dec '16 9:15:06 AM by CaptainCapsase