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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163501: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:10:51 PM

[up] I wouldn't count it out just yet. Money talks in Washington, and the tech lobbies have a lot of it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#163502: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:15:39 PM

They are not that important in Washington. I also suspect that given that a lot of them are Calafians, the Republicans will not like them very much.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#163503: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:17:36 PM

I think some of the Republicans might listen to Google though. They're cartoonishly big.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#163505: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:23:24 PM

The first step towards assuring a Democratic victory is having Clinton's campaign staff burned at the stake for their failure. John Podesta needs to be beheaded, his skull hollowed and dipped in gold, and used as a goblet by which every aspiring Democrat must drink the blood of a Republican which has been consecrated by Bernie.

In all seriousness, though, Democrats probably are going to be spending a generation in the wilderness. I mean, leftists were poo-pooing Nancy Pelosi's reelection as House Minority Leader, but by the time the Democrats are in any position to really reclaim the levers of power, she'll be long dead from old age. We might even be old men and women.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#163506: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:27:40 PM

The one amusing thing to take away from republican antics in NC is that if the stars align and the dems gain a majority in the state their own rules will come back to bite them in the ass big time.

Dunno if posted here yet, but the repeal of HB 2 comes with the catch that they're only agreeing to do it if Charlotte revokes it's anti-discrimination law. Seeing no other way out, Charlotte has agreed to do so, so long as HB 2 gets struck down first.

edited 20th Dec '16 2:28:05 PM by carbon-mantis

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163507: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:28:21 PM

[up][up] The democrats' problem is a critical lack of new blood; there's a difference between crucifying the Clinton generation and saying it's time for at least some of them to make way for a younger generation.

edited 20th Dec '16 2:29:04 PM by CaptainCapsase

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#163508: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:30:19 PM

Wasn't Charlotte being willing to trade their law for the repeal of HB 2 a thing for a while now.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163509: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:30:57 PM

No. Our problem is our base has to fall in love with a candidate and they buy into dumbass conspiracy theories worthy of Info Wars, and don't see the big picture.

Not only did we lose the battle in the election from a tactical perspective, but we suffered massively strategic loss with all the things Trump can fuck up.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163510: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:34:51 PM

In a world where the 2020 ticket is actually viable and not already practically a forgone conclusion,note  who should be the Dem's candidate of choice for unseating Fuhrer Trump? For example, I'm seeing a fair amount of buzz around people like Cory Booker, who just landed himself a seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which looks good on a resume. And he's young, he's black, he's progressive, and he seems to have quite a fanclub.

Then there's also talk about Warren, or even a Warren/Book ticket. As I've made clear, I'm not optimistic in the least about the Democrats regaining power any time soon, but for the purposes of argument who would be their best shot?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163511: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:35:58 PM

A major party spending an entire generation in the wilderness is not a thing that's ever happened in American politic, Crimson. It's particularly hard to imagine that happening to a party that's the most popular nation wide.

Grabbing congress back in 2018 is by no means out of the question- the Supreme Court generally strikes down voter suppression stuff when it's brought before them; and one Trump appointee isn't enough to change that. Add that to the normal trend for mid-terms to lean against new presidents, and the strong potential for larger-than-normal backlash against Trump. (remember that this is supposed to be the honeymoon phase of his presidency)

Which is not to say that they won't have to fight for it. But it is to say that if they a) stop the infighting, b) start preparing for 2018 ASAP and c) get their voters to actually show up, it's entirely doable.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#163512: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:36:47 PM

I thought Booker had corruption issues that the Republicans would tear into if he made it past the primary, assuming he actually runs.

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#163513: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:38:21 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]They're calling a special session now to repeal it before Cooper takes up the governor's mantle. Mc Crory is taking credit for it and playing it as a parting victory, blaming HB 2 and the ensuing economic losses as Cooper's fault and playing it up like he was forced to take extraordinary action to force Charlotte to rescind.

edited 20th Dec '16 2:38:46 PM by carbon-mantis

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#163514: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:38:40 PM

Also, what did we say about "thin bench"? I hope you are not banking solely on already known people.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163515: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:39:21 PM

I'm somewhat skeptical of the idea that the republicans will be able to play the corruption card in 2020. Or that it'll be particularly damaging if they do.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163516: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:49:01 PM

[up] They managed to con 60 million people into voting for someone as despicable as Donald Trump and trick far left idiots into turning against Clinton.

When there's a will there's a way.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163517: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:52:11 PM

@Tactical: Really now? Republicans are way worse in terms of conspiratorial bullshit (about twice as worse based on the understandably limited data), and have you considered the idea that the democrat's base's fickleness is due to its diversity, both in terms of demographic factors and economic backgrounds. Having a larger but coalition with far more points of failure than the monochromatic GOP coalition is the price we pay, which is why its so important to keep the democratic base motivated relative to the GOP.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#163518: Dec 20th 2016 at 2:54:49 PM

And why you need inspirational figures like Obama.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#163520: Dec 20th 2016 at 3:05:21 PM

I haven't read much about this but I've gotten the distinct impression that a not-insignificant part of the GOP base hates the democrats unconditionally. They'll compromise a LOT of things on a republican candidate, while deriding the same things in a Democrat. Obama himself noted that he could propose very republican policies at face value, and their base would tear into him regardless.

About the only things I could see a Republican doing that would make him lose favor with the base is implying that white people aren't the true victims of America nor the only people who can be truly american.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#163521: Dec 20th 2016 at 3:05:26 PM

Looks like US liberals are starting to arm themselves at a higher rate (granted, compared to most of the world even American Democrats are still armed to the teeth.)

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

Might be a good idea, given what could be the absolute worst case scenario.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163522: Dec 20th 2016 at 3:18:18 PM

The warrant connected to the FBI search that Hillary Clinton says cost her the election shouldn’t have been granted, legal experts who reviewed the document released on Tuesday told The Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-subpoena-that-rocked-the-election-is-legal-garbage-attorney-say_us_58597cd9e4b03904470b0633?

Because of COURSE it wasn't.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163523: Dec 20th 2016 at 3:27:06 PM

[up]x5 Honestly, I don't know if there's ever been a President that's as poised to still be such an important figure and active political presence after their Presidency as Obama seems to be. (Maybe George Washington?) And good thing too, because we're going to need him.

edited 20th Dec '16 3:33:39 PM by kkhohoho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#163524: Dec 20th 2016 at 3:28:38 PM

One thing for sure, I felt physically ill reading Trumps reaction to the Berlin attack. It was distasteful and insensitive.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing

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