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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#163426: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:03:07 AM

[up][up]Ah, the time honored Republican tradition of small government and respecting the lower orders of government in action.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#163427: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:04:42 AM

r/BadEconomics goes over whether the Rust Belt working class actually voted for Trump.

Those actually facing economic hardship in the Rust Belt voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. The flip was with middle class households feeling that Trump could reverse small town decay.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#163428: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:13:47 AM

One coment in that reddit fourm call my atention.

"For both the avid and even passing by Bernie supporters it's a matter of trust. For several of us, we'd rather see the ship burn than surrender it to the captors who seized the ship."

I....just.....why.....AGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I will be out for a while, otherwise I will saying things that I might regret, see you later

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#163429: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:21:04 AM

I am sure the other people on the ship will be really happy. Not.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163430: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:23:03 AM

[up][up][up] So ultimately, nationalism and bigotry won the day for Trump. The fear of the "other", and the fear of losing privilege motivated just enough people to vote for Trump.

I mean, I kind of suspected that was the case, but damn that's disheartening. It means nothing Trump and his cronies do will dissuade his supporters as long as he treats the people they don't like worse.

Ironic that the GOP won by playing to white identity politics, when everyone on the right and left is chewing out HRC for supposedly focusing on identity politics. When in reality she was the candidate who spoke most often and most coherently about jobs and improving the economy.

edited 20th Dec '16 9:25:23 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#163431: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:36:40 AM

While I dont want bring more of this since is importing drama, there something it catch my atention:

"I mean there's alot of blaming 'racist white males' seen through some of the claims about these stats (not necessarily saying yourself here) which don't account for noticable statistics such as a larger amount of non-whites and females voting for Trump than did for Romney."

Is that true? and more important, how many minority actually vote for trump?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163432: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:39:18 AM

[up][up] Both the economy and racism are essential to understanding Trump, in the same way they were essential to understanding 20th century fascism.

Low income voters favored Clinton, that much is obvious, but that's not the whole picture; trajectory matters quite a lot, and Trump voters/no-show democrats are overwhelmingly people whose economic situation is worse now than it was 10 years ago, particularly when you're talking middle America rather than the south. The American middle class is dwindling, particularly in the rust belt.

edited 20th Dec '16 9:43:35 AM by CaptainCapsase

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#163433: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:40:51 AM

[up] So I've heard at the time of the election. Trump's support from minorities was supposedly better than any recent Republican candidate.[nja]

edited 20th Dec '16 9:41:20 AM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#163434: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:42:57 AM

He's world-famous. Some people voted for the man because "he's rich and that means hes successful".

I can say as a first-gen immigrant with first-gen immigrant parents that wealth alone is enough to earn a first-gen immigrant's respect.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163435: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:43:27 AM

FCC Republicans vow to gut Net Neutrality ASAP

FCC Republicans Ajit Pai and Michael O'Rielly sent a letter to five lobby groups representing wireless carriers and small IS Ps; while the letter is mostly about plans to extend an exemption for small providers from certain disclosure requirements, the commissioners also said they will tackle the entire net neutrality order shortly after President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration on January 20.

"[W]e will seek to revisit [the disclosure] requirements, and the Title II Net Neutrality proceeding more broadly, as soon as possible," they wrote, referring to the order that imposed net neutrality rules and reclassified IS Ps as common carriers under Title II of the Communications Act. Pai and O'Rielly noted that they "dissented from the Commission's February 2015 Net Neutrality decision, including the Order's imposition of unnecessary and unjustified burdens on providers."

Good job America.

You played yourself.

New Survey coming this weekend!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163436: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:44:35 AM

Never mind of course that NONE of his wealth was earned through merit.

[up] Comcast and Verizon must be happy.

edited 20th Dec '16 9:45:41 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#163437: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:44:56 AM

Yeah, I mean they have economic problems? sure but they decide "others" are the problem, so the belive Trump snake oil promises, it dosent help the whole "Trump anti-establishment" ilusion he cast around him.

[up]But he make them belive it was, which it work for him in the end, and he didt without the "establishment" help like any good self made men therefore he is better.

see? that is how it works

edited 20th Dec '16 9:46:49 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163438: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:45:38 AM

[up][up][up] There's at least some hope that the tech lobby will be able to outbid the ISP lobby; the only reason Net Neutrality survived this long was because of the powerful economic interests who benefit from it.

[up] Trying to argue the importance of racial factors over economic factors or vice versa is in my point, a pointless exercise; both are critical to understanding Trump voters, and we have to work to address both if we want to avoid further slides into authoritarian modes of governance.

edited 20th Dec '16 9:47:12 AM by CaptainCapsase

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#163439: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:46:55 AM

Haaaaa like details matter to Trump voters

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163440: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:48:10 AM

[up] American voters in general are extremely distrustful of the mainstream media; particularly Republicans, though I expect with the GOP in power that will start to shift as networks realign themselves with the new order in Washington.

edited 20th Dec '16 9:48:24 AM by CaptainCapsase

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163441: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:48:59 AM

[up][up][up][up] They see him as the embodiment of the American Dream for some crazy reason. The guy inherited a fortune for crying out loud.

edited 20th Dec '16 9:49:26 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#163442: Dec 20th 2016 at 9:51:11 AM

[up][up]Is not that dificult: much of them have economic problems but turn to cultural issues like racism or scapegoat to solve it, it happen in germany, it happen here in venezuela, it as bound to happen there in USA, specially with con men like him.

[up]Because like Cap said, people are becoming more distrustful of mainstrain media while Trump have year to create this imagine of him being a self made men who is not bound to anyone, against that Hilary have a hard time for being the "establishment"

edited 20th Dec '16 9:54:00 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#163443: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:13:33 AM

[up][up] Yeah, he inherited a fortune, lost a lot of it by making piss-poor decisions, and had to be bailed out time and again. Now he's going to do the same thing to the nation's economy...

This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163444: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:15:05 AM

Well...I'm going back to school for a two year trade, hopefully in time before Trump inevitably fucks something up in Education, I'll have something to fall back on if I need to bail out of the country, if need be.

edited 20th Dec '16 10:15:16 AM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#163445: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:16:28 AM

Given that Trump consistently attacks the media I figure it's more likely that at least some of them will "align" against him. The way he's handling things like these rallies, he doesn't really need any particular network to play nice with. Although he's guaranteed that Fox will play nice with him; they've been doing that from the start. They stood by while he tore into Megyn Kelly.

I don't see any reason for Trump to stop attacking the media, really, since he's clearly not going to change anything else about himself.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163446: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:17:00 AM

[up][up][up] He's proven again and again and again that he cannot be trusted with other peoples' money. Hell, he can barely be trusted with his own money. Now he's in charge of the USA's economy. Which, given its size, means he effectively controls most of the global economy too.

We. Are. Fucked.

edited 20th Dec '16 10:17:12 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#163447: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:21:48 AM

Trump isn't so much an embodiment of the American Dream as he is the apotheosis of American mediocrity — short-sighted, vain, stupid, boorish, greedy, unqualified, careless, bloodthirsty, and vindictive. In our political sphere, he's the closest we'll ever have to a genuine Satan figure, someone who represents all of America's most terrible impulses, and then reaches out to people and encourage them to bring out the evilest part of themselves and reshape the country in his image.

It's so difficult to actually break his hold on the popular imagination because the people like to celebrate their own mediocrity, and they see in him a kindred spirit, as insane as that sounds.

edited 20th Dec '16 10:23:36 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163448: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:24:22 AM

[up][up][up] Media tends to align with the state, even in nations with freedom of the press; that's a simple consequence of the profit incentives that drive corporate media, and the need for access to government records and government officials that is not legally guaranteed. Which is why American reporting about American activities overseas is often less reliable (and more prone to lies by omission) than say British or French reporting on America. In those countries on the other hand, the converse tends to be true.

Trump's mastery of social media, his rallies, and the force of the executive branch behind him gives him an almost unprecedented capacity to bypass the press, so anyone who isn't covering him on his own terms will be left out in the cold. Niche media will survive of course, but it will become increasingly difficult to report on the Trump administration without striking deals with the executive branch that compromises coverage.

We can only hope this is a short term trend rather than a permanent feature of the political landscape.

edited 20th Dec '16 10:25:30 AM by CaptainCapsase

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#163449: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:27:23 AM

"We can only hope this is a short term trend rather than a permanent feature of the political landscape."

Probably the latter. Once the genie's out of the lamp, there's no caging it again.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163450: Dec 20th 2016 at 10:28:55 AM

[up][up][up] In a twisted way, he's a Hope Bringer to his supporters. "If someone like him can be rich and powerful, then I can make it too!" His narrative basically reassures them that they don't need to better themselves to be successful. They just need to beat down those other people.

"Nationalism! Unilateralism! Materialism! Welcome maxims for those with no faith — without guiding principles of their own. Give yourself up to the whole. No need to better yourself — you're American! You're number one!"

edited 20th Dec '16 10:38:35 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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