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DreadKing Since: Oct, 2015
#163351: Dec 19th 2016 at 4:57:36 PM

For good reason, has there been any effort to sort out the potential liars among them? Have there been any arrests like there was of those thugs who beat a guy up in Chicago before stealing his car?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#163352: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:00:50 PM

Is there any evidence to suggest that this is a trend worth pursuing, rather than a few isolated incidents?

Because it seems to me that the actual cases by far outnumber any made-up ones.

edited 19th Dec '16 5:01:10 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#163353: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:04:14 PM

So I was watching Drunk History and I came across this:

And I thought, you know what would be fucking legendary, the Citizen Kane of our era? Taking what Orson Welles did based on William Randolph Hearst, and doing the same from Rupert Murdoch. That would be such an epic.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163354: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:09:25 PM

[up] "Wall Street..."

edited 19th Dec '16 5:09:54 PM by kkhohoho

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#163355: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:22:45 PM

I wonder what Native Americans think of Trump's win.

Do not obey in advance.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163356: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:24:07 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're not pleased about it.

I mean, even putting aside his platform of white supremacy and kleptocracy, there's a very real danger of him giving the go-ahead to the Dakota Access Pipeline after all.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#163357: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:27:32 PM

Dunno, some of the locals I'm familiar with are pretty pleased. Racism is still big in some of the SE tribes, so if Trump fucks blacks more than he fucks them they'd see it a net positive. sad

edited 19th Dec '16 5:27:54 PM by carbon-mantis

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163358: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:30:57 PM

Ugh.

Well then, I look forward to the moment when they realize that they're just as screwed (if not more so) as black people are under the upcoming Fourth Reich.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#163359: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:31:17 PM

I'm actually quite shocked to learn that any tribe would have tolerance for any kind of racism, but I guess there are selfish and racist bastards of every race. Why am I even surprised?

Do not obey in advance.
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163360: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:31:34 PM

[up][up][up]Well. Fuck them then.tongue

edited 19th Dec '16 5:31:56 PM by kkhohoho

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163361: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:33:59 PM

It's a depressing fact that people of color are capable of being just as racist towards each other as white people are towards them. And it is absolutely the last thing we need right now, because when we're teetering on the precipice like we are, unity is critical.

Black, white, Asian, Latinx, First Nations, Arab, what have you - we all need to stand together right now against Trump and his legion of deplorables.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163364: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:37:31 PM

I can always go back to "Trumplings," if you prefer.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#163365: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:46:30 PM

More Democratic Electors abandoned Hillary than Republican Electors abandoned Trump. Just wow.

Expect Trumplings to bring that up until the end of time. I knew I shouldn't have gotten excited.

edited 19th Dec '16 5:48:01 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163366: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:46:35 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]You can start by dropping any notion of a dichotomy between whites and all other ethnic groups in America. There's no intrinsic solidarity between for example Chinese Americans and African Americans any more than between white Americans and Peruvian Americans.

edited 19th Dec '16 5:48:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

Pseudopartition Screaming Into The Void from The Cretaeceous Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Screaming Into The Void
#163367: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:47:17 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're not pleased about it.
At the very least, Native American Electoral College voter Robert Satiacum said he wouldn't vote for Clinton because he was a Sanders supporter (which pisses me off; you think Sanders really has more power with the Republicans in charge? Does no one think!? Sending a message is all well and good, but people's lives are at risk here?).

Speaking of faithless electors, it seems as if there were a few. But they were mainly Democratic electors trying to prove a point. Looks like a number of them cast protest votes for Colin Powell; ie. a sane Republican. Edit: [up][up]

edited 19th Dec '16 5:49:11 PM by Pseudopartition

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#163368: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:49:51 PM

Apparently most of the lost Dem electoral votes were due to whatever that plan to deny Trump 270 electoral votes was?

Reuters Special Reports on other places in the US with lead problems like Flint. Some are even worse.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163369: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:50:09 PM

[up][up][up] What did I say that implied I held that perception?

[up][up] Has anybody seen my faith in humanity anywhere? I seem to have misplaced it forevermore.

edited 19th Dec '16 5:50:40 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#163370: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:52:17 PM

We've gone over this a few times, but there are a couple of different Trump supporters whose motives often intertwine.

a) people primarily motivated by racism/sexism/"sticking it to political correctness". This might not be the largest group of Trump supporters but there's WAY too many of them anyways. It's not really an isolated irrelevant group.

b) people primarily motivated by economic reasons. They were desperate and foolishly bought into Trump's snake oil, unaware of the horrible effects his presidency would have on both them and everyone else.

c) people primarily motivated by anti-establishment sentiments. They want the corrupt political system to be purged, or a "shake-up".

d) people who are immensely wealthy and want policies to help them keep even more money and power.

As I said, these motives often intertwine. The "economic anxiety" of many trump voters has often been described as a perception that they've been abandoned and other people are getting put ahead in line unfairly (see:minorities), which is basically just racism.

The underlying point behind the whole "deplorables" thing is that, even the most inoffensive and decent Trump voters are still tacitly approving of Trump's horribleness by voting for him, likely based on a bunch of lies and they've been complicit in validating the bigotry of people who are much more virulently prejudiced than they are.

It's not about "winning" against Trump, just intellectual honesty about the situation. Obviously if you want to convince people/drum up enthusiasm you'll probably be having a different kind of conversation.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#163371: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:56:19 PM

Trump's supporters are deplorable. It may not be the politically correct thing to call them, but since they themselves are so against the concept of political correctness I'm going to run with it anyway.

If you voted for that man, you legitimized his misogyny, racism, and all-around bigotry.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#163372: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:56:52 PM

3 votes for Colin Powell

1 vote for Bernie Sanders

1 vote for Ron Paul

1 vote for John Kasich

1 vote for some Native American Chief.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#163373: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:58:15 PM

[up] And no one knows which ones really stuck and which ones were denied, with the voter replaced with a loyal voter.tongue

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163374: Dec 19th 2016 at 5:58:25 PM

[up][up][up] Bingo.

I don't care who you are or what kind of person you are - a vote for Trump is a vote for bigotry.note 

I love how people act like it was the "deplorables" comment that cost Hillary the election. If there was one word that cost her the race, it wasn't "deplorables." It was "e-mails."

edited 19th Dec '16 5:59:08 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#163375: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:03:14 PM

Several of those don't count though, with electors either being replaced after voting the wrong way or being made to cast a second vote for the right candidate.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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