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Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163201: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:40:52 PM

[up][up] We find parity on that subject, I too am a supporter of nuclear energy but as you stated there is another discussion board for that topic.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163202: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:41:01 PM

[up][up]In my view, that group is generally a subset of the one I mentioned. A significantly smaller subset.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:41:14 PM by Gilphon

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163203: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:41:48 PM

[up] I would hope it's a significantly smaller subset, otherwise the USA is pretty much screwed. More than it already is anyway. tongue

edited 18th Dec '16 9:42:15 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163204: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:44:34 PM

[up] There are multiple subsets such as that however, I have heard that one of Hillary's errors was that she assumed that the blacks and hispanics would vote for her with the same vigor that they voted for Obama. It is a disheartening trend.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163205: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:48:01 PM

I'm certain it is smaller- the numbers tell us that the people who were just voting against HRC outnumber those who actually like Trump, for instance. Whether or not it's significantly smaller... is a question that's harder to answer objectively.

But I'd need some pretty strong evidence to convince me it's not. Perhaps I'm just an idealist at heart.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163206: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:49:22 PM

[up][up] As mentioned before in this thread, the supposed emphasis HRC placed on identity politics during her campaign was actually severely exaggerated. One could argue that Trump placed a greater emphasis on white identity politics during his campaign, and that was one of the reasons he won.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:50:07 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#163208: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:58:43 PM

Not to this degree. The fact is, Clinton had a great deal of forces against her. It's not just the Comey letter, or Wikileaks, it's the fact that the most innocuous nonsense was given utter play in the media. She got more negative coverage than Trump did and the only story was "EMAILZ"...the media let Trump dictate the narrative on her whereas they kept portraying him as just another campaign.

Clinton has flaws. Every politician does. But she was qualified, competent, capable and a devoted public servant with a decades-long career. The idea she is equivalent to Trump in flaws is absurd.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163209: Dec 18th 2016 at 11:05:49 PM

[up] The media paid so little attention to each individual Trump scandal — in part because there were so damn many — that it all became more or less white noise to a lot of people.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163210: Dec 18th 2016 at 11:10:40 PM

To contribute to that point, the continuous media coverage of Trump's recurrent scandals, gaffes, and other controversies provided him the capability to formulate a message of how the media was targeting him in a deliberate attempt to protect "Crooked Hillary."

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163211: Dec 18th 2016 at 11:17:42 PM

John Oliver put it best when he described Trump scandals as a bed of nails. Hilary's email server by contrast was the single nail in the coffin of her campaign. Comey's letter was the hammer.

edited 18th Dec '16 11:18:33 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#163212: Dec 18th 2016 at 11:23:28 PM

I think that something that should ideally start with this election is something that Fighteer has been warning about and dreading for a while: Full investigation of each administration (strictly within the boundaries of the rule of law) by the next administration.

Why? Because Republican administrations get away with mass corruption, while Democrats get laser focus on even the slightest impropriety. If Democrats were willing to grow spines and enforce the law against Republicans, the latter party would be broken - and conversely, Democrats can fucking handle investigation into their own affairs; by and large, Democrats run clean (and the few bad apples should be ruthlessly purged along with the many Republican bad apples).

Going full Spartan on our elected officials is a weapon that, rightly, the Democrats can wield far more effectively than the Republicans could ever dream of.

Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#163214: Dec 19th 2016 at 12:42:43 AM

I'm thinking that I should just stop acknowledging the Republican party as a real, legitimate political party. It has warped into such an Obviously Evil facade of itself, that it needs to disband or be treated like the illegitimate party of fascist psychos it is.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#163215: Dec 19th 2016 at 1:04:32 AM

I saw someone wearing a shirt that had Trump as Uncle Sam. Kinda grossed me out.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#163216: Dec 19th 2016 at 1:24:45 AM

So now RT is acting like the CIA is trying to pull a coup.

edited 19th Dec '16 1:50:14 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#163217: Dec 19th 2016 at 2:03:22 AM

Man... this whole day today is going to be a ghoulish spectacle of people desperately pretending the dream of an electoral college revolt didn't die weeks ago, isn't it? I can see why people want to hope, but there's no eleventh hour rescue here.

It's been fun.
Ecrivan Amused Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Amused
#163218: Dec 19th 2016 at 3:43:10 AM

Well look at is this way...no one would be surprised if they lose their jobs

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163219: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:27:26 AM

The best we can hope for (aside from a honest-to-God Christmas Miracle (TM),) is that enough Republicans vote against Trump that it either helps to delegitimatize his presidency, get the majority of Trump voters pissed off enough that they'll demand the EC be abolished, or both. There's not much more we can really gain from this, but hey, every little bit helps.

As for having to deal with wishful thinkers and the hopelessly hopeful, I thankfully don't have to deal with that today, as the place I work is a 50 year old gas station that's culturally bubbled from the world at large and is strictly focused on just doing their damn jobs instead of talking politics. I can just go in, make my moneys, and then go home and shut myself in for the rest of the day. No muss, no fuss.

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A procrastination in of itself
#163220: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:42:34 AM

I still don't get people think the electoral college would be gotten rid of in the event of a revolt, it's to advantages for the Republicans, it woeful just be made that electors are either done away with, their votes automatic or a serious punishment put in place for going faithless.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#163221: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:47:55 AM

Trump will be President. We have to accept this. Do not hope for a last minute miracle. It is so unlikely as to not be worth considering. It's a far better use of our time to start focusing on state and local races and get people involved.

As far as investigating and enforcing the law...there is a massive double standard in the media against Democrats.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#163222: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:53:56 AM

Everyone claims the media is against them. Get off that horse and focus on just the downticket stuff.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#163223: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:54:07 AM

Why is this?

No really, there is unfair failure to represent progressive news in the media.

Why is it that I only hear about private prison problems and the latest atrocity in Syria from my internet news sites? Television news is silent for weeks or months on stuff like this.

edited 19th Dec '16 6:55:43 AM by blkwhtrbbt

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#163224: Dec 19th 2016 at 6:55:45 AM

[up][up] Yes, but it's only backed up with logic in one area. Clinton's media coverage was objectively worse than Trump's.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#163225: Dec 19th 2016 at 7:07:13 AM

If that was true, she wouldn't have won the popular vote. He was only popular among those Clinton herself ignored to her own detriment, as has been reported here.


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