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Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163176: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:07:34 PM

[up] [up] They were still flaws.

[up] Mc Mullin did not appear on the ballot in my state but he was quite observant in how he would be able to take advantage of the unfavorability of both candidates. Just curious, how many politicians on Capitol Hill do you believe actually read the Constitution?

edited 18th Dec '16 9:11:31 PM by Tbone511

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#163177: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:10:05 PM

[up]That's still false equivalence. All flaws are not equal, in number or degree.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#163178: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:10:32 PM

[up][up] The issue is Trump at his best is everything people thought Clinton was at her worst.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:11:00 PM by sgamer82

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#163179: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:12:10 PM

Clinton is an imperfect but competent politician, and I would have her as president in a second even under normal circumstances.

Trump is posed to be an existential threat to the entire world, between climate change denial and his apparent hard-on for nuclear weapons.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:12:50 PM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163180: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:12:48 PM

[up][up] I was observing the mutual application of flaws and their presence in both candidates. I do not believe I stated that their flaws were equal or proportional to each other.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#163181: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:15:07 PM

If you're holding out for a perfect candidate who has no flaws whatsoever... yeah, good luck with that.

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Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163182: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:17:19 PM

[up] I commented that the flaws were severe, no politician or candidate is without sin or failure. The unique nature of this election was that both candidates were externally and/or internally flawed to a severe degree.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163183: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:19:42 PM

[up][up][up]His nuclear hard-on doesn't worry me so much considering there's a number of factors preventing him from actually doing anything with it. (Including — but not limited to — his chief goal of making money. Can't make money when you're nuclear crispy-fried, can you?)

Climate change on the other hand, yeah, that's a biggie. The only consolation is that we'd probably still have a good several decades or so before everything went kaput, but I'd like to know that the Earth will actually still be around after I've left it. And with Trump in power, that ain't a guarantee.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:31:08 PM by kkhohoho

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#163184: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:20:27 PM

Well, insofar as both candidates were viewed as "the worst option possible" and that people voted against them, yes that's actually more applicable to this election than many others.

I mean even with Obama and many people voting AGAINST him rather than FOR Mc Cain, there was still a large movement in the country that was very PRO-Obama. I don't think you can really say that he was an unpopular candidate in the same way Hillary is, where many people voted for her but weren't particularly excited about her as a candidate.

Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163185: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:20:48 PM

[up] [up] I would not hold my breath, there is no money in green energy compared to the fossil fuel industry.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:21:29 PM by Tbone511

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163186: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:22:23 PM

[up]No offense, but your point would be...?

edited 18th Dec '16 9:22:53 PM by kkhohoho

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#163187: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:24:51 PM

[up][up]Another false equivalence. Green energy is a relatively new technology that has yet to reach its full potential, while fossil fuel has been in common use for well over a hundred years and is about as developed as it's likely to get.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#163188: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:25:38 PM

Hilary have the problem of being the "establishment" representing all the bad thing about goverment(real or imaginary) against Trump who cast himself as the regular self made men who is just concern with people, even people who hate trump belive that about her.

Granted, I do think that is going to wear off in is presidency since Trump is...well, Trump

edited 18th Dec '16 9:29:09 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163189: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:26:19 PM

[up][up][up] None taken, my point was an attempt to address your line about climate change and your belief that Trump is in it for the money. From my experience one of the main points about environmentalism and climate change is adjusting the energy usage to green energy. I was observing that there is more of a profit to be made in fossil fuels than there are in green energy.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:26:56 PM by Tbone511

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163190: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:27:17 PM

I sometimes wonder if Trump and his cronies genuinely believe man-made climate change isn't real or if they're just ignoring it for the sake of quick profits.

TBH, I'm not sure it really makes a difference, or which would actually be worse. Would it be easier to convince them in the former case or the latter to actually get on board with combating climate change?

I mean, some of them do have kids and grandkids who would probably live to see climate change's full disastrous impact.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:30:15 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163191: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:29:11 PM

@Pwiegle

I'm not so sure, the United States is currently in an energy boom and the expectations of global oil supply have risen exponentially in recent times.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163192: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:29:51 PM

[up][up][up]...What? No, that wasn't what I said at all. I said that one of the reasons Trump isn't likely to nuke everything to Kingdom Come is because he wants to make money, and you can't make money when the world is a nuclear wasteland. My line about climate change had nothing to do with Trump making money; that was me saying that while he's not likely to fuck up the world with nuclear armageddon, he can still fuck it up with climate change. Two completely different things.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:32:03 PM by kkhohoho

Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163193: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:30:52 PM

[up] Okay, I misunderstood you. I apologize.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#163194: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:32:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]I will said it feed on each other: many cant believe their business cause any lasting damage so they fight climate change, there is this idea of buissness CEO being great men who build empires, nobody want to admit is made on crapping the enviroment

edited 18th Dec '16 9:32:57 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#163195: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:32:22 PM

Ah, there's the distinction: "quick profits." If you're only focusing on the short-term, then I'd agree that there's currently more profit margin in fossil fuels. But that kind of head-in-the-sand short-sightedness is not a road we can afford to keep going down forever.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163196: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:32:36 PM

[up][up][up]Not a problem. No harm done.smile

edited 18th Dec '16 9:32:49 PM by kkhohoho

Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163197: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:35:47 PM

[up] grin

[up] [up]I agree but a large amount of human behavior is motivated by self interest. I do not think it likely that many will agree to act in the cause of the greater long term good without asking "what's in it for me?"

edited 18th Dec '16 9:36:02 PM by Tbone511

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#163198: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:37:22 PM

@Dragh: Obama was a juggernaut of a candidate in a super polarized era. The people voting specifically against him are the people who would vote specifically against any democrat.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:38:59 PM by Gilphon

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#163199: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:38:28 PM

Personally, I'm in favor of more nuclear energy. But there's a whole 'nuther thread for that topic...

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163200: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:38:47 PM

[up][up] Or if you're being less charitable, they're the people who would vote against anyone who isn't a white guy.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:38:59 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

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