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Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163101: Dec 18th 2016 at 8:48:13 AM

[up] I think it is also important to remember that during his time as Governor Reagan oversaw the largest tax increases in the State's history.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#163102: Dec 18th 2016 at 8:50:20 AM

[up] It's like he became a completely different person when he became the GOP's front-runner and President.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163103: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:12:38 AM

[up] Or perhaps the GOP became different.

During the Election I found myself wondering quite often how the Party that I am a registered member of went from Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and Ronald Reagan, to Donald Trump.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#163104: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:13:16 AM

Just curious, what was the DOD's reaction to Trump's pick for Secretary of Defense? I remember the CIA having a very negative reaction to theirs, and I could've sworn the DOD did to their own too, but then a few pages ago someone says otherwise, so I'm confused.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#163105: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:16:17 AM

[up] Mattis is very popular among enlisted soldiers, and has a good reputation in the upper echelons. He's a choice that wouldn't look at all out of place in another Republican's administration. That being said, prior to his fall from grace, Michael Flynn would have been a perfectly acceptable choice for National Security Advisor. We'll have to see how things play out.

Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163106: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:25:02 AM

[up][up] Mattis commands a lot of respect among the military and government. Even those that I know who are opposed to Trump admire Mattis for his "pragmatism." From what I have heard the largest point of contention against him is the short span of time between his retirement and his appointment as Defense Secretary.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:25:36 AM by Tbone511

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#163107: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:25:12 AM
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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#163108: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:28:54 AM

[up]X5 Reagan did start the trend of celebrity president a bit and he was a big part of the GO Ps move towards heavy racism so it kinda makes sense at least from that point.

[up]X4 I imagine some parts are worried about another war, Mattis is an incredibly bloodthirsty man, so it's unlikely the US will avoid having another war in the next few years.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:29:38 AM by Silasw

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#163109: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:29:36 AM

California used to be the ultimate swing state: "so goes California, so goes the nation," in that what went on there was seen as a bellwether for how America as a whole would change. It was the home of liberal counterculture for as long as Hollywood's been a force in the country, and despite it's southerly latitudes was a major supporter of the Union in the civil war, but the three presidents who have come from there (Hoover, Nixon, and Reagan) have all been arch-conservatives.

It's evolution into a hyper-blue state was really a product of two things: the Reagan amnesty of '86 (height of irony) which naturalized a lot of hispanics in the state, and the third-way policies of the Democrats which helped de-stigmatize being wealthy and voting Democratic, which helped swing wealthy places like Hollywood and Silicon Valley further blue.

To highlight the old duality, John Steinbeck was from California, but red-blooded California farmers burned his pinko books in horror of what their communities had wrought.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#163110: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:33:39 AM

Mattis has a bad history of being one of those General Ripper types when it comes to Muslims.

He's not anyone to be trusted. He got his nicknamed of Mad Dog for a reason.

edited 18th Dec '16 9:33:55 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163111: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:47:38 AM

[up][up][up] I do not think it was Reagan who precipitated the GO Ps alleged move to support racism. I think that shift came from another conservative idol. There is a phrase I came to adopt in recent times; that in 1964, Johnson won the political battle, but Goldwater won the ideological war. Among the elections that have occurred since 1964, the Democrats have won less than half of them.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#163112: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:52:03 AM

@James "Mad Dog" Mattis

The problem with Mattis is exactly how he condones heavy handed approach to COIN translation  that constitute war crimes, including trying to whitewash incidents where the USAF took hasty decisions and they turned out to be wrong and resulted in a wedding in Iraq being bombed.

James Mattis is also very involved with big name defense contractors. So the reason why he is well liked by the upper echelon is exactly because he is another of the lobbyists for the defense and military industry.

Mattis was also involved in a few scandals like being directly responsible for the delay of the MRAP translation  vehicles to the US forces in Iraq because the HUMVE Es weren't properly dealing with IE Ds translation  which resulted in a few more casualties among the military. His approach on Iraq resulted in a lot of pissed of Iraqis and he is indirectly responsible for the surge in the insurgency against the US occupation of Iraq.

Mattis is quite popular among the enlisted, former enlisted and those simpletons who see war as nothing but Kill/Death Ratios and displays of power. To the point whenever you see those people mentioning Mattis you will often see things like he will make America feared/respected again and he will bomb those Muslim terrorist to hell, that along his bigotry towards Muslims and Middle Easterners earns him points with the Islamophobic groups in the US.

He also has a sort of personality cult within the USMC and other Grunts as he is perceived to end things they see as the pussyfication of the US military such as bringing back the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, as a result of the former preventing Transgendered service members to serve or Transgendered individuals to enlist, exclude women from any combat role and condone instilling being brutal on every recruit.

To sum things, Mattis is another lobbyist but it is one that is catchy enough for the people with more testosterone than brains to rally behind because they think he is a BAMF.

So Trump in his infinite wisdom and promises to keep lobbyist outside the White House has put another one by his side and people are OK with because he wants to bomb Musli...I mean, terrorists.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163113: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:53:00 AM

Vast majority of Hillary clintons Speeches were about Jobs, not about Trump or identity politics

So for anyone who still believes that myth that she tried to make the election about Trump...you are wrong

New Survey coming this weekend!
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163114: Dec 18th 2016 at 9:59:56 AM

[up] An article from a left wing magazine, I thought we wanted to suppress fake news haha

But, it is true that Hillary mostly spoke about issues but the speeches that people cared most about were the secret ones she gave and the one where she branded half of Trump's followers as "deplorable." I think this was another example of Trump's interesting brand of charisma, he was able to convince people that Hillary was a vindictive liar that wanted to personally persecute him and his followers.

edited 18th Dec '16 10:00:25 AM by Tbone511

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#163115: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:00:51 AM

I mean, I'd be kinda down for that.

Oh really when?
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#163116: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:06:26 AM

Hillary Clinton: All of the work, none of the Credit

Sanders:All of the credit, None of the Work

Trump: Thinks he should have Credit for any work.

edited 18th Dec '16 10:06:43 AM by TacticalFox88

New Survey coming this weekend!
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#163117: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:06:52 AM

[up][up][up]While Vox is quite left-leaning, news isn't necessarily fake just because of the source. If they are reporting actual stats, that's fine.

edited 18th Dec '16 10:07:03 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163118: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:08:34 AM

[up] I know, I was speaking in satirical jest. cool

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#163119: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:23:35 AM

Not sure if even posting stats from a directionally leaning site would be pure fact, unless the article cites the sources of the stats, too.

A new poll shows an astonishing 52% of Republicans incorrectly think Trump won the popular vote

edited 18th Dec '16 10:24:10 AM by sgamer82

Tbone511 Since: Dec, 2014
#163120: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:30:46 AM

[up] They may believe that most of Hillary's majority votes were fictitious.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#163121: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:33:18 AM

For some reason people are convinced California enlisted an army of illegal immigrants to vote for Hillary. What practical purpose this would serve never gets answered.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#163122: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:33:38 AM

Ignorance is a virtue among Republicans.

edited 18th Dec '16 10:33:57 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#163123: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:34:23 AM

How the logistics of such a thing would work is also never elaborated on. Of course, they believe it because Trump tweeted it late at night because he was feeling sore that he didn't win the popular vote.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#163124: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:34:36 AM

  • *opens Vox link*
  • *gets to the graphic of what people've heard about each candidate*
  • *sees a gigantic "EMAIL" occupying half the Clinton word cloud*

Now I understand the elections.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
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A procrastination in of itself
#163125: Dec 18th 2016 at 10:36:47 AM

@Tbone, Reagan was a massive fan of Goldwater wasn't he? My understanding is that he took Goldwater's ideas and put a friendly face on them.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

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