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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I suspect that they do not have enough evidence to prove that he did indeed violate it.
Oh God! Natural light!The thing for me is, while you claim Trump will destroy democracy, no one can be sure of that. Will he be a bad president? Probably. Will he be the ultimate undoer of freedom and democratic values in America? I really don't think so.
Life is unfair...To be perfectly honest, I would have liked a Godfather-like montage of Trump and his associates being arrested during the press conference but I can see there's a problem with responding to what is a bloodless coup of sorts in a way that would guarantee bloodshed. And I say this partly for pragmatic reasons since Trump's supporters have all of the guns and he's wildly popular with law enforcement.
I'm disappointed in the outcome but not with Obama himself because honestly there's not a lot he could've done anyway, not unilaterally. The best outcome is the CIA and FBI having enough damning evidence at this point for him to declare Trump an enemy of the state but that wasn't going to be likely.
Grafite: I think, out of simple "my country has had this exact same shit happen before", that you're all probably underestimating:
- His corruption (as hard to believe as it sounds)
- How blatant it'll be
- How much people will defend his administration
- His incompetence
- The cultishness he'll generate
- The unintentional harm caused by his administration
But you're probably overestimating the intentional harm he'll cause (Edit: Climate Change notwithstanding).
Those are Democratic electors, only one Republican has said he wouldn't. (Lessig has claimed about 20 have approached him about it).
edited 16th Dec '16 1:28:29 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KVLook, I don't know, okay?
I know it's my own fault for not listening to my own advice. But it felt so much like something was being built up to here. The White House had been issuing so many bombshell statements about Trump's relationship with Russia. They had said that a smooth transition of power was no longer a priority for them. The FBI and CIA just agreed that Russia interfered with the specific goal of getting Trump elected.
It felt like we were about to start fighting back, and our leaders were going to show some spine and take a stand. Nobody wanted Obama to suddenly declare himself God-Emperor, but he could have said something. Something besides the same tired "give him a chance" he'd been saying all along, and dodging the most important questions.
Instead, he just...didn't say much of anything. Not so much as a condemnation of hate crimes or Trump's self-evident contempt for everything that supposedly makes America great.
And pretty soon it's going to be too late. Once Trump's in power, he can start changing the rules. It's going to be North Carolina, only on a national scale.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."As distasteful as I find the prospect of a man like Donald Trump becoming president, I would consider attempts by the current sitting president to subvert the election process to be beyond the pale. Based on Obama's history in studying and professing Constitutional law, he probably shares that sentiment. I'm a little surprised at how relatively uneventful the conference was, but it was to be expected.
The best we can hope for now is an effective electoral revolt, as slim as that possibility may seem.
edited 16th Dec '16 1:15:29 PM by WertyYertrew
but the future refused to change. the miracle never happen.I honestly wasn't expecting Obama to say anything drastic really. Almost half of America would be incredibly revolted if that happened. Still, he managed to send some subliminal messages to Trump which I hope he at least heard and may ponder about (specially with the Taiwan issue).
Edit: Also, Wanderer, I'm sorry for what happened with your country, but I just don't see the same thing occuring in a nation like the USA in this age of information.
edited 16th Dec '16 1:20:40 PM by Grafite
Life is unfair...

It was Obama's sworn duty to protect us from falling prey to foreign influence. Trump has violated the 14th Amendment. The Constitution should prevent him from becoming President, and Obama should uphold the Constitution.
Instead, he's spouting platitudes and lecturing us on the very same values that are about to be made mockery of by the next administration.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."