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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#162676: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:02:24 AM

I have to wonder, if Obama did do the Veto of Trump, would he pull an Ironic Echo of our cheeto in chief and say "It's not illegal when the president does it"

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stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#162677: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:08:13 AM

I'm seriously concerned that the Democratic party who this entire election had been defending the process of democracy, immediately calls it into question the moment someone they don't like is elected.

It would seriously damage our electoral process if there are methods to take a less connected politician out of the white house now.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#162678: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:10:05 AM

[up] Immediately? Hillary conceded the moment it looked like Trump would win. It's mostly Trumps actions since then which alarmed everyone, especially his so called appointments, which reek of corruption and manipulation.

One thing for sure, if Obama actually finds a way out of this mess he might deserve his peace nobel price after all....

edited 16th Dec '16 2:11:10 AM by Swanpride

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#162679: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:10:53 AM

It's less someone they don't like has been elected and more, our national security has been compromised and a Russian puppet is set to hold our highest office.

This is a matter of national sovereignty, not partisanship

Oh really when?
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#162680: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:10:56 AM

on one hand, we risk undermining our democracy by forcibly removing an obviously and shamelessly corrupt, utterly unfit, walking disaster who may or may not have been planted by a country we've had antagonistic relations for over a century from office preemptively, or we let him and his cronies take office, and deal with the fallout from THAT for the rest of our lives.

Go on and spin that chamber comrade.

edited 16th Dec '16 2:12:52 AM by Lanceleoghauni

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#162681: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:13:03 AM

The electorate college could simply insist on another candidate with they had the balls. The republicans could easily remove Trump from office on the grounds that he is unfit if they have the balls. And Obama is currently still the president, so he might actually have some options I am not aware of just yet.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#162682: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:15:47 AM

The fact of the matter is the republicans /won't/ though. Every check and balance is fucked all to hell, and all that remains is defeatism and/or drastic action.

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stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#162683: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:16:20 AM

You know what's easier to believe? That the CIA is corrupt.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#162684: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:17:24 AM

[up]Also this.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#162685: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:21:39 AM

It might be easier, but not necessarily correct. Just look at the Iraq mess...you had on the one hand a president who kept suggesting that there are weapons and on the other hand the CIA which kept submitting reports that there aren't any, while Bush basically told the CIA "well, then give me reports which say something different". At no point did the CIA fake a report or even deliberately misinterpret one, that was all the White House doing.

I hate the America Alphabeth Soup as much as everyone else does, but I certainly don't get why the CIA is perceived as corrupt while the FBI is perceived as the good guys even though historically, it was usually the other way around, with the FBI undermining the US democracy at every turn. I blame TV.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#162686: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:31:47 AM

To be fair, the CIA was undermining democracy outside of the US (see Pinochet; the dictatorship in my country aroun the same time...).

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#162687: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:33:14 AM

The CIA has done a lot of evil in the name of protecting "democracy." Especially in foreign nations. Which comes with the territory of being a spy organization.

They do want to be seen as accurate at least.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#162688: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:33:30 AM

It's kinda funny that the CIA and FBI are now split.

CIA was our arm to undermine democracy abroad but right now the FBI has helped underminde our democracy here and it's the CIA standing up to them.

The irony.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162689: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:36:09 AM

[up] In the last episode of The Closer before it became "The Resistance", Keith Olbermann even sarcastically congratulated the FBI on finally succeeding at pulling a fascist coup, remarking that they'd been at it for a while.

J. Edgar Hoover is laughing in Hell.

edited 16th Dec '16 2:37:07 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#162691: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:37:54 AM

Well, this is one press conference to anticipate.

Fingers crossed that things don't immediately explode in everybody's faces.

[up] It really seems nobody took Trump seriously during the election. For shame, Democrats.

edited 16th Dec '16 2:38:34 AM by FergardStratoavis

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162692: Dec 16th 2016 at 2:38:45 AM

[up] And if they do, hopefully not literal explosions. sad

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#162693: Dec 16th 2016 at 3:51:15 AM

The chances that this is the miracle we want are very slim indeed, and real life unfortunately doesn't operate by the Rule of Drama.

It feels like this entire election has been operating on Rule of Drama since Trump got the nomination.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#162694: Dec 16th 2016 at 5:45:44 AM

wild mass guessObama is going to challenge Trump to a trial by champion for the presidencywild mass guess

Trump may choose between Fists, Flintlock Pistols (Hamilton Style) and Lightsabers (provided by Darpa)

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#162695: Dec 16th 2016 at 6:07:21 AM

I think this is all being badly overblown, Obama usually gives a presser before taking his annual Christmas/Hawaii vacation.

Though if he's willing to drop the bomb and piss in some fascist cheerios, it'll be a delightful Christmas present.

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#162696: Dec 16th 2016 at 6:37:58 AM

[up] It's been called "the biggest" of his conferences to date which, I guess, isn't that strange for a President leaving office.

But considering the fact that stable transition of power is no longer the priority, there might be more than that.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#162697: Dec 16th 2016 at 6:38:14 AM

Plot twist: Trump is a puppet for Putin... but Putin was a puppet for Obama! This has all been a long con to fabricate the worst possible circumstances for a presidential candidate, 'forcing' the current president to abolish Democracy and turn America into an empire.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162698: Dec 16th 2016 at 6:43:28 AM

[up] I don't know if that would be the most horrifying thing ever...or the most amazing thing ever.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#162699: Dec 16th 2016 at 6:48:17 AM

This press-conference really feels like it's being over-hyped, and to be honest I kind of hope it is.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#162700: Dec 16th 2016 at 6:57:36 AM

Is there any evidence that it isn't being overhyped? It could easily just be diplo talk.

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