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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Guys, jokes about Obama doing something to remain in office aren't funny. The things that would result would be disastrous, ruin everything about his legacy, and there probably is not a legal way for him to stop the change over. Now, this may indeed be big (big can mean literally anything,) but I very much doubt it will in anyway slow down Trump's taking over the office.
Still, my interest is now very piqued.
I repeat, this probably does not mean that Obama is going to refuse to hand the office over. It does appear to mean that Trump is probably fucking up a lot more than we were aware of, which does not surprise me.
edited 16th Dec '16 12:16:47 AM by AceofSpades
I know the chances of it happening are pretty much zero, but could you even begin to imagine the shitstorm that would happen if Obama said verbatim;
"Thus after review of this election, Mr. Trump's loss of the popular vote, Russian interference and use of cyberwarfare, and Mr. Trump's obvious contempt and temperament in dealing with our allies, the transition period stops, as of this moment. He will not be our President. I cannot trust this man with our nuclear arsenal."
New Survey coming this weekend!Yeah, I can imagine the shitstorm. It's why I don't want it to happen. I don't think that in the long term anything good could come of it. A short term gain, perhaps, but long term shit storm.
Ugh, this whole situation just sucks because it is literally damned if you do, damned if you don't. Except we can't do anything to immediately effect this shit, and we just have to watch as the ones in power do.
edited 16th Dec '16 12:30:17 AM by AceofSpades
Which is why I'm tempted to approve of any and all actions Obama takes to block Trump from power. There's going to be a shitstorm no matter what happens. Would we rather there be a shitstorm because the Democrats seized power? Or because we're suddenly under de facto Russian occupation?
Yeah, the President messing with the transition of power isn't good for democracy. But guess what? Neither is Russia.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I'm just sayin' if I had to choose between "Emperor Obama" and Putin effectively being our head of state...
Actually, since both of those would mean that Trump is not really the one in charge...
Assange is full of shit.
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At this point I'd take Dubya or Reagan over Trump. Yes, I'm aware that Reagan is long dead.
edited 16th Dec '16 12:41:49 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedAt this point I'm wondering if Assange is even still in charge of Wikileaks. He's been in hiding for years now, surely de facto leadership for the organization would have been taken up by someone else and it is very possible that Assange just hasn't been informed of a lot of the stuff currently going on.
Again, I just want to warn everybody - don't get your hopes up. I just don't want to see anybody's hopes get crushed again. The chances that this is the miracle we want are very slim indeed, and real life unfortunately doesn't operate by the Rule of Drama.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."If Obama has evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part, it needs to be beyond damning for it to matter in terms of actually preventing Trump from taking office. We are talking clear evidence of outright treason here.
Which I'm not certain he has because I'm not certain it actually exists. Trump's administration is threatening to be terrible in a lot of ways, but treason is a very extreme and very specific charge and I'm not sure if he would meet the legal definition. And anything short of literal treason isn't likely to get the EC to revolt, and an EC revolt is the only thing that could stop a Trump administration without a constitutional crises.
If Trump collaborated with the Russians to hack the election then that would be treason.
@Boston: Again, being impeached just means charges are brought against him. Clinton continued to preside when he was impeached and was not required to leave the White House because of it. Impeachment doesn't mean the president automatically stops being the president. Frankly, if Trump does end up running things from Trump Tower, it's going to be because he wants to, not other reasons. Although that would be a logistical nightmare and make him a way easy target for people who want to do him harm, so I think a lot of people would be convincing him not to do that.
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At this point I think he was basically a useful idiot for the Russians. He doesn't know or care about our democracy being endangered by foreign powers and he basically hired a guy from Exxon who has frequently ignored what was good for America in order to achieve what Exxon wanted.
edited 16th Dec '16 1:45:04 AM by AceofSpades
This is thrilling, but also frightening. There is almost certainly going to be violence. I only pray that things turn out all right in the end. We are certainly living in interesting times, in the Terry Pratchett sense.
Of all the bad options, I actually think that Obama stepping up one last time to demand an investigation is not the worst, mostly because I trust that Obama would NOT try to stay in office himself, but try to find a way to restore democracy in the country.
It's most likely not possible, but is there the option that the Democrats say that the concede office only if the Republicans offer another candidate?

David Yankovich @David Yankovich 6m6 minutes ago I suggest watching White House press conferences this week, & Trump's Twitter response. Smooth transition isn't happening.
David Yankovich @David Yankovich 2h2 hours ago It seems that this entire week has been leading up to this. CIA leaks, WH getting more vocal, Trump not acknowledging Russian interference.
David Yankovich @David Yankovich From what I am hearing, @POTUS has determined that orderly transition cannot be accomplished and is no longer priority due to Trump/Russia.
HOOOOLY SHIT
I don't want to get my hopes up, but....
Fuck.
New Survey coming this weekend!