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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#162526: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:27:30 PM

Welp, Dylan Roof has been found guilty on twenty two counts in the Church Massacre trial. Some good news today.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#162527: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:29:06 PM

One of the issues with the Military Procurement is how now weapons evolved in such manner you no longer can expect a single contractor to do everything.

No really, one for the CPU, other for the engine another one for the optics and a few others for the guns inside the same program.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#162528: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:30:07 PM

^^Which twenty two counts?

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#162529: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:31:07 PM

Murder...

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#162530: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:32:33 PM

He can't have had more than 9 counts of murder. That's how many people died.

Aggravated armed assault, illegal usage of firearms, etc etc etc

Killing a person piles on the charges.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#162531: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:35:40 PM

It'll be interesting to see if he'll get the death penalty or not. I could see an argument being made about wanting to deny him his desire for martrydom, but it still wouldn't look good if he wasn't.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#162532: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:40:44 PM

Bah death is too easy.

What he needs is to be preached at day and night about how everything he represents is evil and everything he has done is reprehensible

But done in a condescending/friendly way to drive the shame of it all home.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#162533: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:48:19 PM

Apparently it's grown to thirty three counts.

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#162534: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:56:56 PM

I'm not surprised.

It's murder/manslaughter, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, illegal use of firearm for each person killed

Plus aggravated assault and illegal usage of firearms for each person he attempted and failed to kill.

33 is going light on him.

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unexplainedEnemy from hell pit Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#162535: Dec 15th 2016 at 12:57:13 PM

When the best thing that's happening in politics right now is a murderer being convicted of murder/aggravated assault/illegal usage of firearms...that's not really promising, is it.

edited 15th Dec '16 1:06:50 PM by unexplainedEnemy

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#162536: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:27:37 PM

He pretty much has to get the death penalty.

Because imagine the implication: White supremacist killing 9 black people and not getting the chair while a black guy can kill one white person and still get the DP just really wouldn't fly.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#162537: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:29:55 PM

@NoName: Don't be silly, this is America.

It's been fun.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#162538: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:34:17 PM

[up][up]Though the surviving victims/victim's relatives might plea for leniency, either due to personal beliefs or a desire to not go through a decade of appeals.

Regarding the F-35 vs other air frames, you have to remember that the F-16 and similar platforms are nearing the end of their useful lifespans, they are close to obsolete and becoming expensive to maintain. And the F-35 lives and dies by its electronic capacities, if it does get to where its supposed to be (and is it moving in that direction) it won't matter that its an "inferior" stealth fighter aircraft/interceptor/whatever. Cause the data capacities and ability to kill before its even detected will make those a moot issue.

Is it a procurement debacle? Yes. Can you kill it without destroying a few Western/East Asian air forces and the entire aerospace industry (which brings in a lot of employment and tax revenue I might add)? No.

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#162540: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:48:42 PM

Don't celebrate the guilty verdict just yet, Trump could still pardon him once in office.

Personallly I'd like him to live, I want him to live and see himself proved wrong and his ideals ignored as he becomes just a footnote in the history of assholes trying to stop progress. There's a reason I like international court jails being in the Netherlands.

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#162541: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:53:48 PM

"Everybody makes mistakes. Not me, but I mean other people."

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#162542: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:54:40 PM

I don't think even Trump is stupid enough to pardon Dylan Roof.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#162543: Dec 15th 2016 at 1:56:14 PM

C'mon. Trump's not going to just randomly pardon someone who killed nine people. That's not how that works. For one thing, it would require Trump to give a fuck about the guy.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#162544: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:01:34 PM

@Rational Insanity: I hope you'll pardon me if I'm not entirely convinced that BVR has come a long-way enough for this not to turn like the early history of the F-4. I concede that the program is too far along to really stop however, I just hope that we will have actually learned something from the stupidity of this program and not repeat when it comes time to be the F-47 or whatever it ends up being.

@salisw: Yeah, I can't imagine Trump even at his lowest would try something like that. There would definitely be widespread riots and I doubt the rest of the Republicans would be willing to spare him impeachment after that.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#162545: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:01:39 PM

I don't think Trump would be stupid enough to pardon him.

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FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#162546: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:04:06 PM

I didn't expect Trump to insult prisoners of war like Mc Cain for being captured either.

At this rate, Trump may pull the "just a young man who made the wrong choice at the worst moment" defense on Roof if he feel like it.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#162547: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:11:20 PM

Thing is I don't think Trump gives a fuck about the guy either way. He's entirely irrelevant to him.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#162548: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:19:26 PM

BTW, as we learned, all it takes is one white guy with a grudge who will hold on the guilty verdict and thus get a mistrial.

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#162549: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:25:56 PM

From what I can tell about how electors are selected, I can't imagine there being many Republican objections to voting Trump. As far as I can see, the parties nominate who they want as their electors for each state and the set of electors that gets activated to vote in each state is the set chosen by the party the people in that state vote for.

By the sounds of it, many of the Republican electors are Trump supporters and were in fact nominated by the GOP precisely because of that fact. The GOP is therefore not expecting any massive damage on Monday. One or two, yes, but we already know about them. Most will support Trump.

So, can anyone tell me if what I've been reading is accurate (regarding how electors are selected)?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#162550: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:30:21 PM

[up]What about the 50 electors demanding a security briefing?


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