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In response to the link presented by Tactical about Trump's meeting with Twitter:
. #Delete His Account @Jack.
edited 14th Dec '16 2:53:00 PM by IFwanderer
1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Huh, so Ivanka Trump will be getting an office in the white house.
A bit of a Sophie's choice, isn't it; either we put up with the blatant nepotism or lose one of the only voices in the White House who considers Climate Change to be real. You have a similar dilemna with Tillerson; despite being an oil executive he is not a climate change denier. He also has ties to Russia.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:01:07 PM by CaptainCapsase
Actually....Germany only joined half. No Nato bases in former East Germany to this days. So Germany actually fulfilled the deal they had with Russia, every single point of it. But it could hardly prevent other countries from joining the Nato.
But while I understand the feeling of being betrayed, it hardly makes a difference how far the Nato reaches towards the Russian border, since it is a defence agreement, not an attack agreement. If one Nato country causes a war, the others are NOT obligated to help (something the Nato itself reminded Turkey of just fairly recently). So unless Russia intends to attack its neighbours, it actually shouldn't care if they are part of the Nato or not other than a sense of wounded pride.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:02:31 PM by Swanpride
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She's one of the closest things that Donald has to an actual voice of reason. (That he'll actually listen to.) Do we really have a choice?
edited 14th Dec '16 3:02:06 PM by kkhohoho
I'm not exactly going to go hanging my hopes on Ivanka Trump leading the charge when it comes to climate change.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:02:21 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Oh here we go...
Asgore Adopts Noelle
So, if that's all true, then how long do you think it will take for him to get Impeached? Will the Republicans do it within the 1st year? Or will we have to wait for the Democrats to take over in 2?
Well, let's see if anything actually comes of it. Everything about what's happening is so absurdly outrageous, and so few people in positions of power seem to care, that the White House openly accusing Trump of conspiring with Russia might not even end up being that big of a story.
The GOP impeaching Trump would require them to have some actual integrity and not be treasonous scum who are selling out their own country, so that's not going to happen. And the odds of the Democrats regaining control of the government in 2018 are not good, so that's probably not going to happen either.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:08:23 PM by RBluefish
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Trump's offer of massive tax cuts will likely silence most of the opposition to him among economic elites, which should quiet down about 5/6 of the GOP and 1/2 of the democrats. You're already seeing major democratic financial backers meeting with Trump and trying to reach accommodations with him.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:08:26 PM by CaptainCapsase
It feels like everything is bending over backwards for Trump. Almost as if we're living in a story where he's the writer's Author Avatar who can shape the events to his will.
Which is why I'm beginning to come around to the idea that he's not actually stupid, just faking it. Or, at least, he has someone very intelligent advising him who he trusts unconditionally.
Cough Putin cough.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
That's why I compare him to Gladstone Gander and Hitler, he has the same kind of luck that they do, Reality Warper levels of luck.
And luck exists, nobody makes their own luck. African-Americans youth in the last three years had their lives snuffed out by cops just for being in the wrong place and wrong time...that's luck.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:13:21 PM by JulianLapostat
It's probably Kushner or Ivanka, if not both, and that's assuming Trump isn't faking it to any real extent.
edited 14th Dec '16 3:13:06 PM by CaptainCapsase
@Julian, Bill wasn't pushing for his policies to be made front and center, he was only telling Hill and co not to ignore the Rust Belt. To actually go out and shore up the firewall, not waste time in Arizona and South Carolina, or even Florida and NC.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ex-governor McRory's political career is not dead.
Again this is pure Nazism...working towards the orange-utan, exactly as Ian Kershaw described it.
All Mccrory has to do is come up with a proposal that can make Trump's radical agenda work, and he will have a leg in the new administration.
"It is the duty of every single person to attempt, in the spirit of the Führer, to work towards him. Anyone making mistakes will come to notice it soon enough. But the one who works correctly towards the Führer along his lines and towards his aim will in future as previously have the finest reward of one day suddenly attaining the legal confirmation of his work."
—Werner Willikins, State Secretary of the Prussian Agriculture Ministry, 21/2/1934
"In the Darwinist jungle of the Third Reich, the way to power and advancement was through anticipating the ‘Führer will’, and, without waiting for directives, taking initiatives to promote what were presumed to be Hitler’s aims and wishes. Through ‘working towards the Führer’, initiatives were taken, pressures created, legislation instigated – all in ways which fell into line with what were taken to be Hitler’s aims, and without the Dictator necessarily having to dictate. The result was a continuing radicalization of policy in a direction which brought Hitler’s own ideological imperatives more plainly into view as practicable policy options."
—Ian Kershaw, Hitler (1999), pp.321-322
That explains all of Trump's insane Cabinet appointments and how Republicans are jockeying for a leg in. They listened to his campaign and told El Trumpo "You were right about Mexicans, I have a way to make it work"..."That wall, I have an idea".
Mccrory who is a Neo-Jim Crow activist will say, "How would you like to be re-elected and disenfranchise more black people"...and Trump will sign him in.
That's hardly exclusive to Nazi Germany, and while we all would rather it be otherwise, it's not necessarily exclusive to authoritarian modes of government, though it definitely is indicative of a declining democracy.
Destroyer of Worlds
The fact is we have evidence and information from Hitler and the Nazi Germany, because all the information and archival material is open and ready for us to read, so it is the example for us to study best...and I don't know why people are so bristling about Hitler and Trump's comparison or encroaching Nazism because the fact is the resemblances are real and uncanny.
Hitler and Trump resemble each other more than say Stalin and Trump or Mao and Trump or even Mussolini and Trump. Hitler like Trump was unqualified and had never held government office or any bureaucratic posting in his life...now unlike Trump he did serve as a soldier in World War I (albeit considerably exaggerated and distorted by himself) but he had no rank above Corporal...it's not the kind of shining military service that guarantees high office, and Hitler more or less came to power on his ability to manipulate the mass media, and his very good PR Skills (he actually staged photo-shoots to see how he appeared when speaking and was quite interested in image politics). Hitler was also personally lazy and lacking in diligence and quite hands-off, his attitude towards say "intelligence briefings" is more or less Trump's...call me when it's something worth gossiping over and not before. Other dictators like Stalin were quite hands-on and fanatic micro-managers and major Workaholic and had skills in administration and possessed some qualifications.
And furthermore, Hitler came to power and office via electoral process. Stalin and Mao came to power on the back of revolutionary seizure of weak states, and Mussolini intimidated and blackmailed the government by painting himself as the one guy who can keep the Commies down. So Hitler is again the one with the most resemblance to Trump. Hitler came to power by a thin margin in a fiercely partisan election and the nazis didn't win a direct majority but formed coalitions. Trump didn't win the popular vote but came to power by a coalition of conservative interests (Republican partisans, herrenvolk rust-belt, white supremacist enthusiasts, and a few minorities) using a quirk of the US System.
So let's not try and dial away the bad stuff, shall we?
Don't know why Romney didn't give a full apology since he more or less kowtowed in public anyway. And Trump sure humiliated him at that French restaurant.
I always did feel a little bad for Mitt...I sensed that he was more moderate than the Republicans and that he could have maybe dialed down and made the GOP more realistic. I think he would have been a better GOP President than Dubya...but that's Damned by Faint Praise.
edited 14th Dec '16 4:11:38 PM by JulianLapostat
Destroyer of Worlds
However, that part of Cohen’s draft did not appear in the final version of the article, which was carried by the Post as well as other outlets.
According to Cohen’s draft, Trump once asked, “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife.”
edited 14th Dec '16 4:14:41 PM by MadSkillz
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Honestly, and I do apologize for the violent imagery, at this point all we can do is hope that the bile keeps getting deeper and deeper until the Republicans drown in it. Because nothing else is coming of it.
It's been fun.
There is definitely something weird going on there. Some weird Tennessee Williams stuff.
Promoting his daughter as First Lady rather than his wife as he has done in the media, is just creepy, as is having her sit in on meetings with the Japanese Prime Minister and so on.
But you know compared to everything Trump says and does, it wouldn't rank among the most disgusting things he did.
edited 14th Dec '16 4:24:24 PM by JulianLapostat
Cape Malleum Majorem
He actually needs to ASK???
Of course it's wrong, you big orange idiot! Anyone who isn't morally bankrupt would know that!
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.
And you know, does Hillary really look forward to talking to people who feel that they lost their jobs because Bubba Clinton threw them under the bus after winning their vote? NAFTA is blamed on Clinton.
George Packer pointed that out in a Trevor Noah interview, Bill made the Democrats the Professional Class and took it away from the working classes. He screwed them over, and now Bill is telling Hillary and others, "Go talk to them and fool them a second time". Likewise, Hillary actually did appeal to the Bubba crowd in 2008's Primaries against Obama, and that lost her the party nomination to Obama and others. So why try something that was a losing gambit last time? It's easy to get presentist now, but from her perspective at the time, there was no real reason to believe that Bill's advice was valuable and decisive in and of itself.
And there's also professional pride, Hillary wanting to be her own woman, and maybe, this is speculation, some personal resentment at Bill. She hides it well in general but I am sure that Hillary would be thinking that the compromise she made to help Bill and be his First Lady ultimately didn't get her as much as she perhaps could have if she cut on her own.
edited 14th Dec '16 2:47:23 PM by JulianLapostat