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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#162251: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:17:21 AM

[up]You mean Trump is definitely going to outsource it?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#162252: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:17:50 AM

[up][up] You say that as if that'll prevent it

edited 14th Dec '16 9:18:00 AM by sgamer82

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#162253: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:20:59 AM

What they said.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162254: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:25:06 AM

It does make a warped kind of sense to outsource a religious persecution database to a country that actually practices legally mandated religious persecution.

edited 14th Dec '16 9:25:44 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#162256: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:35:59 AM

[up]What are the chances that the Pennsylvania state government will override that?

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#162257: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:39:05 AM

Well, we all know the Republicans value the rights of the lower orders of government, until they do something that disagrees with them. So (assuming the state government is in the hands of particularly theocratic Republicans), very high.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#162258: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:39:14 AM

From Wikipedia, the current governor is a democrat, with a term until 2019, so little to none?

edited 14th Dec '16 9:39:44 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#162259: Dec 14th 2016 at 9:55:23 AM

Oh, in that case they are probably good unless it really does run afoul of the courts.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#162260: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:16:16 AM

No reason it should, though i'm not familiar with Pennsylvania's constitution all that much.

Republicans here aren't that hard on the homophobia train. Voter suppression and shale gas drilling are their big talking points.

Plus, since it's only a ban in Pittsburgh, if they really wanted to you could just set up shop in any of the surrounding areas, put your clinic in one of the smaller, hickier townships around here.

It's mostly a symbolic gesture.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#162261: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:22:33 AM

I'm seeing CNN on TV, sounds off so I don't know what they're talking about, but the headline on the screen was "Trump said his Cabinet will have the highest IQ ever."

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162262: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:26:06 AM

[up] ...Can't Trump just shut up for a few days? Is that too much to ask? sad

edited 14th Dec '16 10:26:34 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#162263: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:30:47 AM

[up] Then the media will start to focus on what he's actually doing rather than his showmanship, and he can't have that now can he?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#162264: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:31:11 AM

The other headline, and presumably the topic under discussion was what Trump's cabinet picks say about his plans

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#162265: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:34:10 AM

Yep Corporate Governance is here to stay people.

Exxon is willing to sell America out just so it can drill some sweet ass oil in the Arctic.

edited 14th Dec '16 10:41:11 AM by JulianLapostat

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#162266: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:36:35 AM

My immediate thought before even looking at the article: "Drill some sweet ass" in what sense of the phrase?

Have any questions about blind trusts or conflicts of interest come up for the cabinet members?

edited 14th Dec '16 10:37:14 AM by sgamer82

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#162267: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:37:04 AM

A few actions people are being asked to take right now:

(1) Contact your representatives and governors to ask that they demand that the electors be debriefed on the CIA information on Russian interference prior to Dec. 19, and to delay the electoral vote if that's not possible, given the time-frame.

(2) Contact the U.S. Attorney General and ask that the Electoral College vote be postponed until a full investigation of Russian interference and the Trump campaign's potential coordination with Russia is complete. (You can reach the Attorney General's office at 202-514-2000 (Comment line...press 4.)

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#162268: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:41:22 AM

This other interview with a Trump voter is just fascinating for the mentality it exposes:

Sarah Kliff Do you think Donald Trump kind of understand all this, because he's obviously quite wealthy? But then he's going to look out for the little guy, or...

Ruby Atkins I'm hoping he'll have people put in place that would understand that you just can't survive like this. And we're ... not going on welfare and food stamps. That's not right. That's not us.

You just don't know what next month brings, so you got to watch out. I mean, people with welfare and food stamps, they don't even grow a garden anymore. You've got to have a garden, you have to survive. That's the way I was raised. The people who still care and still do it. If everything was handed to you, no, you're not going to grow a garden.

I worked in the school system for 13 years. I was secretary at the school.

And when they had the Christmas programs, some of the area programs will say to the teachers, “I want a list of your poorest kids,” and get them clothes and toys and stuff.

They are not the one that needs help. They are the one that's getting the welfare and the food stamps, the electric bill paid for, everything. It's the ones that’s working and barely scraping by that—

Sarah Kliff Aren't getting enough help?

Ruby Atkins And then here, the Christmas programs are all geared for the poorest ones.

Sarah Kliff What would fix your problem? If you could talk to Trump, to these congressmen, what would you tell them?

Ruby Atkins Well, for one thing, if the coal business did come back and pick up, that would help our area a whole lot, and our incomes a whole lot. But as far as the health care, I don't see no end in sight in all this. This is like ... gas prices a few years ago. It's just going to keep going up.

I mean you can see that mentality there perfectly. They are angry that their lot is bad because they hate the poor and have contempt for them, even having a petty dislike for them getting toys for Christmas...isn't that just perfect Little American sentiment. Ayn Rand is weeping a tear of happiness in the hypothetical afterlife.

And gas prices have gone down...so it was likely that health care would become more affordable over time as well.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#162269: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:45:01 AM

The most recent episode of Who's Paying Attention, Alonzo Bodden's news podcast, had him reading excerpts from an article describing how Ayn Rand's ideals have infected people to the point kindness is something to be resisted.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162270: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:46:00 AM

[up][up] So essentially "fuck you, got mine" isn't limited to the rich alone.

Dogville was a fucking documentary.

edited 14th Dec '16 10:46:32 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#162271: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:46:30 AM

Yeah, it's the thing that goes kind of like this:

"Everything's so hard, I can barely afford to feed my kids."

"Would you like some help? I could pay for your groceries today, if you want."

"DON'T YOU DARE PITY ME, HOW DARE YOU!" (stomps out)

These are people who can't tell the difference between genuine kindness, condescension and mockery.

edited 14th Dec '16 10:50:26 AM by Zendervai

JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#162272: Dec 14th 2016 at 10:55:40 AM

Ayn Rand didn't have ideals...the opposite of them...seriously that this horrible, awful, hack became a writer of consequence and influence is an eternal mark of America's shame.

The health care law has helped lots of people in Whitley County, where Oller works. The uninsured rate has fallen from 25 percent in 2013 to 10 percent today, according to data from the nonprofit Enroll America. Overall, Kentucky is now tied with West Virginia for the biggest increase in health coverage.

But Obamacare’s success in Whitley County and across Kentucky hasn’t translated into political support for the law. In fact, 82 percent of Whitley voters supported Donald Trump in the presidential election, even though he promised to repeal it. ...

I spent last week in southeastern Kentucky talking to Obamacare enrollees, all of whom supported Trump in the election, trying to understand how the health care law factored into their decisions.

Many expressed frustration that Obamacare plans cost way too much, that premiums and deductibles had spiraled out of control. And part of their anger was wrapped up in the idea that other people were getting even better, even cheaper benefits — and those other people did not deserve the help.

Now these guys are Welfare Queens, i.e. they hate the idea that poor people are getting benefits at a rate affordable to their low-income level and they want to hoard it for themselves. Right-wing ideas and phrases always describe them more than they do their targets. Ayn Rand was a bigger moocher and looter than others she described, Reagan's non-existent welfare queens more accurately describes the "White's First" attitude that his working-class voters had, and the Confederacy denounced the War of Northern Aggression despite firing the first shots and attacking first.

edited 14th Dec '16 10:56:12 AM by JulianLapostat

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#162273: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:03:18 AM

[up] What IS it with conservatives and Psychological Projection? I just don't get that mindset.

Disgusted, but not surprised
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#162274: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:03:45 AM

Cynical me says that these people will only learn if you shove the consequences down their throat in a big, bad, spectacular way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
JulianLapostat Since: Feb, 2014
#162275: Dec 14th 2016 at 11:12:39 AM

Sigmund Freud once noted that America lacked the sense of inwardness and self-reflection that made them look inside themselves. He once enigmatically remarked that America "was a mistake, a giant mistake".

That explains American projection, they aren't encouraged to think or reflect deeply, and most of that work happens in Church where it depends on the Priest and Nun.


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