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#16202: Apr 9th 2012 at 2:01:32 PM

the middle two lines are the most moderate 10 percent of the two parties.

But I would've made it into multiple percentiles, but this isn't my graph. '3'

EDIT: OH!

now I get it.

The middle two are actually the most moderate 90 percent of the parties, with the outer two being the more extreme 10%. The article just does a shit job of explaining which is which.

EDIT 2: The marks on the graph of "90% Republican" don't refer to percent of the party, but percentile.

edited 9th Apr '12 2:07:16 PM by Enkufka

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#16203: Apr 9th 2012 at 2:16:26 PM

So, 90% Republican means that those Republicans are more conservative than 90% of the party. Gotcha.

Looks like the moderate conservatives are more than twice as extreme as the moderate democrats, whereas the extreme conservatives are only about 1.5 times as extreme as the extreme democrats.

Of course, how they gathered and measured this data is anyone's guess.

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#16204: Apr 9th 2012 at 2:20:20 PM

[up] Yes. The 90% lines represent the average liberalness/conservativeness of the member of Congress who is to the right (for a Republican) or to the left (for a Democrat) of 90% of his party. The same is true for the 10% line. Note the bend in the Republican 90% line post Reagan; the extreme of the GOP is far more conservative now than it has been since Reconstruction.

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#16205: Apr 9th 2012 at 2:22:30 PM

and the left will automatically vote democrat simply because the other option is absolutely toxic to our values.
You say this as if there was only one other option.

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#16206: Apr 9th 2012 at 2:24:17 PM

@Tomu: They got their data from the DW-NOMINATE Scores but the stuff on that page goes right over my head.

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#16207: Apr 9th 2012 at 4:58:39 PM

Does anyone have this feeling that Romney will win the presidency, based on money and ads alone?

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#16208: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:04:18 PM

Nope. He's way overspent (3 to 1 spending to intake), Obama has the advantage of incumbency and has been taking in money for a while now, he has the advantage of support, and a host of other reasons.

Granted, shit could still turn bad (if when the Student Loan Bubble bursts, we're going to have problems) but Romney's solutions seem to be focused on making things worse.

edited 9th Apr '12 5:04:46 PM by Enkufka

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#16209: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:04:59 PM

[up] What about the lack of enthusiasm for Obama?

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#16210: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:06:30 PM

More than countered by the lack of enthusiasm for Romney.

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#16211: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:08:44 PM

We do need to see what happens after the primaries are over.

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#16212: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:11:48 PM

What [up] said. And what [up][up] said. Romney's incredibly unpalatable, a rich guy advocating solutions that only help rich people, advocating removing the regulations that protect people, advocating "let them fail, let the market bottom out," advocating banning abortion and contraceptives. All of that is very, very unpalatable.

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#16213: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:12:05 PM

[up] You sure that the right-wingers even care about that?

edited 9th Apr '12 5:12:36 PM by Serocco

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#16214: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:12:55 PM

Obama managed to generate some enthusiasm with that State of the Union address awhile ago. But yeah, we have to wait until after the primaries are officially over. Obama hasn't really started doing his campaigning thing yet because the primaries have dragged on so long.

It's really astounding the amount of difference putting yourself on TV can generate, really.

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#16215: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:14:40 PM

[up] Yeah. As an example, Kennedy had a lot of women that voted for him due to his looks. In one of the debates, Nixon looked dead.

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#16216: Apr 9th 2012 at 5:16:04 PM

You can tell someone who got laid off when the market bottomed out that it was for the best until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't mean they'll believe you. All that person knows is that they lost their job and have to subsist on whatever they have at hand, and that jobs are not coming back to America while corporate profits are.

And Obama's been advocating jobs plans and saving voters money and trying to help, instead of saying that not helping would be the best.

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#16217: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:07:13 PM

[up] Yeah, but Romney will bombard Obama with negative ads. Do you really think Obama has the same set of balls?

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#16218: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:09:55 PM

Obama has more dough in his campaign budget than Romney does, though.

Source.

edited 9th Apr '12 6:13:32 PM by BestOf

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#16219: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:13:33 PM

[up][up]

Incumbents always have huge advantages when it comes to ad bombardment because they have one thing challenger dont. A proven record at the post.

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#16220: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:13:35 PM

Romney has billionaire backers waiting with their checkbooks ready for the nominations to be over so they can flood the SuperPACs with money. It's going to be brutal.

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#16221: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:17:21 PM

[up]Is the galaxy in your avatar the Milky Way, BTW?

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#16222: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:17:50 PM

[up][up] Exactly why I'm nervous about Obama's chances.

edited 9th Apr '12 6:17:57 PM by Serocco

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#16223: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:19:11 PM

when the Student Loan Bubble bursts, we're going to have problems
What is this student loan bubble I have not heard of?

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#16224: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:28:09 PM

@Best Of: It's a resize of a cool photo I found on NASA's website. Not the Milky Way.

edited 9th Apr '12 6:29:38 PM by Fighteer

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#16225: Apr 9th 2012 at 6:31:26 PM

[up][up] Student loan debt has gotten so large that it's now being referred to as the source of the next bubble 'pop' that sends the economy plummeting. I'm not entirely sure what the popping of that bubble would actually look like, though.

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