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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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I think that report is alarmist and silly.
If, and it's a distant possibility, the Electors Revolt, there won't be any civil war or anything. Most you can expect a few shootings here and there but that can be handled easily by local/state/city authorities.
Trump's supporters are a tiny minority, and Trump has alienated the military and intelligence networks. He relies on boyars/robber barons and discredited and disgraced showboats like John Bolton and others...
Trump will then do what he always does and try and sue...and that will not go anywhere. It would go to the Supreme Court and they are split 4-4 and one of them like Anthony Kennedy (who broke for Obergefell) would not back him.
edited 12th Dec '16 11:58:30 AM by JulianLapostat
Except moderate Muslims who join ISIS have actual grievances...the evil Imperialists have been looting their land for more than a century, have repeatedly lied and broken their promises, and then end up killing their people indiscriminately all in the name of a crime most of them had nothing to do with it except vaguely resemble the profile of Bin Laden, even if their boss Saddam was on his s—t list and was the only guy maintaining a Balance of Power in that region.
What grievances do Trump voters have aside from feeling oppressed by the very idea of "those people", those women who are proud of their bodies, their careers and freedom, those POC who are being rewarded for merit.
Even North Koreans...during the Korean War, the US Bombed the S—t out of North Korea, unleashing more bombs there than they unleashed in World War II combined, destroying and making most of the urban infrastructure into rubble. Against all odds, they rebuilt all of that, to the best of their abilities while the US backed a corrupt dictatorship in South Korea, that decades later with no thanks from America became a democracy.
It's a crazy country led by bad ideas and obsolete government that's oppressive to its citizens, but most North Koreans have no reason to expect America to do better. They have never given any indication once, in their foreign policy, bipartisan or otherwise, to actually care about Democracy and human rights.
edited 12th Dec '16 12:12:01 PM by JulianLapostat
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Your Mind Makes It Real. That, and lots of spite.
Regarding the possible Elector Rebellion, I think a moderate Republican is probably the best compromise everybody can get:
- It's not Trump.
- It's not Hillary.
- Republicans still have full power, but the President won't be a nincompoop, hopefully.
Any rabid Trumpets, true and tried Trumpets, can likely be subdued easily as long as they are on their own.
edited 12th Dec '16 12:11:03 PM by FergardStratoavis
Yup. I'd say push Mc Mullin but at this point I'd even accept Pence if it means keeping Trump himself away since he's less likely to start a goddamn Cold War II.
To add onto Julian's post, a lot of people don't understand what it means to actually be good.
Being good isn't something that you are, it's something you do. You can talk about how good you are as much as you want, but if you fail at being good when it counts the most then are you really? Being good is often the hardest thing you can be, that's why it's so meaningful when you see someone actually be good when it damn matters.
People can be nice and benign to everyone and cringe at every stupid thing Trump says, but if they still voted for him anyways then what difference does it really make in the end, besides the fact that they may be the first to see how what they did was wrong? The less malicious Trump voters defending their choice to vote for Trump or defending others who vote for Trump are still essentially saying they care more about personal feelings and not being perceived as racist/sexist/reactionary/etc than actually considering the fact that they may have hurt people or been conned.
You can understand why someone would fall for Trump's lies or want to believe them against all evidence and reason, the conditions for some of the people who voted for him have been well documented already and it makes sense that they would vote for him given all those factors.
But they still helped cause this mess, and there's no reason to let them sleep soundly about it.
If someone kills your family in a car accident, does it really make a difference that it wasn't a malicious hit and run? They still killed your family and they're going to have to live with that guilt and responsibility. Maybe other people will be capable of accepting them afterwards but you are under no obligation to.
edited 12th Dec '16 12:15:50 PM by Draghinazzo
This pivot to blaming China is darkly ironic, since Mitch Mc Connell's wife, the soon to be Transportation Secretary, is Chinese.
Disgusted, but not surprisedTrump certainly doesn't mind when his own companies sell products made in China.
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I'm Chinese-American (well, Taiwanese-American) too. You really think that people are going to care if we get into a war of sorts with China? Heck, there have already been some ugly comments directed at her for her establishment ties and her heritage on social media even before this "China hacked us, not Russia" crap.
edited 12th Dec '16 12:25:43 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedAmerica did that a lot of times before. What is Dubya if not a pathetic Manchild who wanted to prove his Daddy wrong by getting "our boy Saddam" and avenging his father's seemingly foolish (but actually brilliant) decision to let Saddam stay in Iraq rather than occupy it.
And Reagan more or less decided to revive 50s Anti-Communism once he came to the Oval Office out of nostalgia for his youth as a strike-breaking anti-communist snitch.
Trump is in that vein...except even more pathetic, because he has grudges against everyone. His own party, the Democrats, the media, SNL, Rosie O'Donnell, Obama. Obama is the guy who doesn't hold grudges...seemingly...because he does have a weird relationship with Putin. I mean publicly Obama slams him and humiliates him, saying he's in charge of a "regional power" (which no offense, is kind-of Trump-esque in terms of attempting to be clever in insulting people) but secretly relies on Putin to get his Iran deal through...that's bizarre.
Because for all his scheming and imperialism Putin is an intelligent and rational actor who is interested in world stability and peace. There's a reason he stopped at Crimea and didn't go on to take Kiev and it's not because he couldn't.
He and Obama are both smart enough to know a fair bit of brinksmanship is for show and when to draw the line and how far they each push things even though our agendas are mutually exclusive.
Obama's smart enough not to take things personally. Trump isn't.
edited 12th Dec '16 1:00:28 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?Ok, Julian, Bush was a lot of things (kind of an idiot for one.) But he did not actively want a war. He went into the presidency during a peace time that most expected to continue and no one had any expectation that 9/11 or some other such cruelty was going to happen to anyone. Let's not go so far that we retroactively make people more villainous than they actually were; that's a terrible trap to fall into.
That's fair, Bush didn't campaign on invading Iraq...that's true enough. But fact is, personal reasons and avenging Daddy's failure was one of the reasons for invading Iraq...I mean Iraq had no WMD, they had nothing to do with 9/11. There was no rational reason to invade it. And please don't make me laugh about spreading democracy there...
Bush was going up and down saying it's a "crusade"...yeah, that's going to convince everyone in the world that this isn't a fight against Muslims, use the word that historically originated as "fight against Muslims". Bush was haunted by H. W. Bush's election loss to Bill Clinton, and he wanted to avenge it by getting re-elected and winning the war. He got re-elected and ended up a bigger loser than anyone. I don't agree with the sentiments going on that Trump makes Dubya look good, without Dubya we would not have Trump, not have the Tea Party that came before Trump, and not have ISIS. Dubya was so widely (and rightly) despised that a journalist who threw a shoe at him became an Icon of Rebellion around the world.
Basically the Republican candidates get worse...As Baelor Blacktyde said of the Greyjoys: "Reagan was mad, Dubya was madder, Trump is the maddest of them all."

edited 12th Dec '16 11:59:19 AM by TacticalFox88
New Survey coming this weekend!