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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161826: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:35:37 AM

[up] His refusal to meet Obama halfway way back in 2008 is a huge part of why we're in this mess. The USA was in trouble the moment he and the other GO Pers decided to put party over country.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:36:29 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#161827: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:35:49 AM

I know sponges with more backbone than Congressional Republicans.

New Survey coming this weekend!
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#161828: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:36:24 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] It's appearing to me, more and more, that Trump and his administration are going to be oddballs of Republicanism; something we haven't seen since Theodore Roosevelt (at least on the Republican Side). I can't see the Republicans being the Party of Trump, when they actively go against him and actively disregard him.

[down][down] This is true, but the Republicans are pushing for Social Security and Medicare cuts, something that Trump said he wouldn't do. If he Veto's it, only for Congress to Over-ride his Veto, then I can safely say that Trump isn't controlling the Republicans, and that Trump's ideology has no power with Mainstream Republicans. Whether this results in Trump being impeached, or Congressional Republicans being "Primaried Out" (which I can't see with the Koch's, not when Trump wants to be an All-Powerful Authoritarian), I can't say.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:40:09 AM by DingoWalley1

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#161829: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:37:14 AM

He's also a diehard foreign policy hawk, so there might be some truth in his statements. Or he's too stupid to realize that he can't control Trump and his beloved country is about to get the Kremlin's dick up its ass.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161830: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:37:24 AM

[up][up] Nah, Trump is just more blatant about it. He's still about giving tax breaks and favors to the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

They are the Party of Trump. They've BEEN the Party of Trump even before he ran. Some of them just aren't ready to openly admit it yet.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:38:34 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#161831: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:38:40 AM

It's wishful thinking, but I'd love to get a fiery young orator up on the debate stage to turn the GOP into ash as the party of fat cats, cronies, and Russian shills. Maybe then people would actually listen.

I don't know what the Democrats would look like with a weak opposition party, but given what Obama was able to accomplish even as a generally moderate/centrist fellow and with Congress constipated with Republicans, I'd like a chance to see it at least once before Trump blithers his way into getting New England nuked.

It's been fun.
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161832: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:39:32 AM

Jesus tapdancing Christ, now they're laying down tracks for blaming China for the hacking. Because Trump hasn't escalated things with China enough already.

Oh, and Carter Page, under investigation by the FBI for Russian connections, is holding press conferences...in Russia. Where he's saying that the U.S. might try to frame them for the hacking.

This is fine. This is fine. This is fine.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161833: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:39:51 AM

[up][up] If you really want to piss off the Objectivist fanboys in the GOP, call them "looters". Which is what they are.

[up] Hmph. So Trump is still raw about China snubbing him when he first approached them about setting up shop there. Man knows how to hold a grudge.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:41:32 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#161834: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:41:19 AM

From the link (emphasis added):

Mr. Mc Connell said he wanted the Senate Intelligence Committee to lead the efforts. Senator Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina and a vocal supporter of Mr. Trump’s, is that committee’s chairman. But Mr. Mc Connell welcomed the involvement of Mr. Mc Cain, who is pressing for an investigation of his own.

He just wants to bury it while looking like he's trying to help.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161835: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:42:45 AM

[up] Geez. Are they that afraid they might find something incriminating? Bunch of fucking cowards, all of them.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:42:58 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#161836: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:42:48 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, it's also appearing to me that Trump really wants to screw over China and just be best friends with Russia. Is this really what Putin wanted? A President who's nice to him, but outright hostile to one of his greatest Allies?

edited 12th Dec '16 9:43:16 AM by DingoWalley1

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161837: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:43:07 AM

@M84: At this point, there has to be more to it than a childish grudge. What does Trump, the GOP, or their Russian puppetmasters have to gain by purposefully sabotaging relations with China? Because it's looking increasingly like that's exactly what they're doing.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:43:22 AM by RBluefish

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161838: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:43:28 AM

[up][up] China and Russia aren't exactly on good terms.

[up] Russia might be getting ready for a powerplay in central Asia.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:44:26 AM by M84

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#161839: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:44:08 AM

Well, the political cartoonists are getting a lot out of this. Norwegian this one.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#161840: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:44:59 AM

[up][up] No, but they're certainly on better terms with each other then either of them were with the USA. Hell, both of them are on better terms with Iran then they are with the USA!

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#161841: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:45:55 AM

[up] I think just about everyone is going to be on better terms with each other than with the USA by the end of Trump's first term.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#161842: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:46:55 AM

So, best case scenario is that 50 years of Foreign Policy get set back and we narrowly avoid nuclear fire?

New Survey coming this weekend!
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161843: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:48:45 AM

Also that civil rights get rolled back by mere decades, rather than us getting actual concentration camps.

And that when the body count from climate changes starts stacking up, that it numbers in mere millions rather than billions.

In completely unrelated news, I just called my representative to urge him to take action against Russian meddling. Anybody else feel like doing the same? Hold their feet to the fire.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#161844: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:48:50 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Please, nobody else link to that picture any more. It's putting me off my lunch.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:50:23 AM by pwiegle

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IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#161845: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:50:23 AM

@Why would Putin want to swap China for the US:

I'll quote something Capsase has been saying a few times in the last few pages:

I'm not sure Putin isn't serious about wanting better relations with the United States; there's murmurs going around about the possibility of a Russian power play in central Asia against China and a cooling of Sino-Russian relations, which is something geopolitical experts predicted would happen eventually prior to the annexation of Crimea. That's the main context in which a Russian pivot of that sort makes sense. Unfortunately that just exchanges one extremely hazardous standoff in eastern Europe for another in central Asia and the south China sea.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#161846: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:52:28 AM

Trump considering Fiorina for Director of National Intelligence

He's literally trying to turn America into America Inc.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:52:51 AM by TacticalFox88

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#161847: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:54:17 AM

John Bolton repeated the "China could have done it" line this morning. Sounds like they've got their cover story. Jesus, they might actually turn this to their advantage.

A foreign power interfering in our election would be an act of war. And they want to point the finger at the wrong player.

With Russia/China - what are we talking about here? An actual Russian invasion of Central Asia?

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#161848: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:55:52 AM

Rick Perry being considered for Trump's energy secretary.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Jasaiga Since: Jan, 2015
#161849: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:57:25 AM

Tom Clancy is probably rolling in his grave. NONE of his books come close to the fuckery that's happening right now.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#161850: Dec 12th 2016 at 9:57:50 AM

[up][up][up][up] U.S. Inc. you mean. After Drumpf I'm not letting you guys usurp the name of the continent for your country anymore.

edited 12th Dec '16 9:58:04 AM by IFwanderer

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV

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